Re: [microsound] miles of styles of philosophes

[dr144@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Ian Reddy)]

>i appreciate your comemnt but i am not quite
>completely at ease with the projection concept, unless
>you view it as a two-way street. about no work of art
>being "raw emotional outburst" that confuses the
>issues of projection even further. one can very well
>create the conditions for spontaneous (what do we
>actually mean by "raw") feeling in a work of music and

by 'raw' I meat the emotion as you experience, which I don't beleive can
be transposed into words or 'transmitted' in any way.  It is internal and
wordless, to say 'I'm angry' in an angry tone of voice is a byproduct of
being angry, it is not the emotion of anger, it is an expression of anger 
mediated by language.

>maybe, owing to the possibilities of improvising,
>music is, among all the arts, uniquely capable of this
>kind of projection. anyone who has ever heard some of
>the great jazz players can tell you that there are
>moments of this music where you know that this feeling
>is of this moment and in a certain sense the emotion
>is certainly raw even though there is a structure, a

I'm unwilling to take the jazz musicians word for it that there is 'raw
emotion' in their music.  To me it seems to be a false assertion. 
I say the jazz musicians are acting out their emotions through jazz.  They
may be feeling a great enthusiasm for the music they're playing, but their
music is a byproduct of that feeling which is mediated by the cultural
form of jazz.  

>launchpad, so to speak. (drawing also has this
>capacity as well!) i suppose you would say in response
>that this is just a case where i have accepted my
>projection as reality. and yet, what is the overall
>goal of a work of music? i argue that it is to create
>this plane where emotions and thoughts come together
>in such a mingling of projections that we are inspired
>and linked together in the experience. the great works

While I don't think works of music have particualr goals I think your
statement has merit.  And I am not (or if I have...I will say that I
don't, at the point of this line of text) denying that music can provoke
emotion BUT I don't think 'emotion' is an inherent property to a work,
emotion is something that may have been felt by the artist in production
of the work, or a work may be coded to refer to certain emotions, or
perceptions of emotion may be devined from the work.  But it's not a
property of the work.



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