microsound Digest 11 Dec 2007 06:39:20 -0000 Issue 1909
Topics (messages 42639 through 42646):
stockhausen RIP
42639 by: mm03.nonpopradio.com
42641 by: aleks vasic
42643 by: joel justice
42645 by: emanuele de raymondi
42646 by: aleks vasic
Re: stockhausen RIP: NYTimes article
42640 by: Peter O'Doherty
cog as an alternative to itunes?
42642 by: philip sherburne
Re: performers: WARPER invite / flyer --- 12/12/2007 Brooklyn, NY
42644 by: Michael Kuszynski
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 02:56:22 -0500 (EST)
To: microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: mm03@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: stockhausen RIP
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I knew Stockhausen for over 20 years, and worked in the
Stockhausen Verlag
for 3 years. He could be the nicest guy - put me up for a month
while I
looked for and apartment - also the biggest jerk. He wrote a lot
of great
music, and some not so great. I'm glad to have known him.
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Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:42:19 -0500
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microsound] stockhausen RIP
Message-Id: <F976D0CC-099C-4ECC-AC67-67B0407FC9DA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
You can attach whatever you want to some one else's comments but in
the end your assumption is what is truly irrelevant because it is
just
that, an assumtpion.
I honestly meant no disrespect, but if fanboys cannot separate their
emotions from hard cold facts then a meaningful conversation is a
moot point.
Cheers
Aleks
On Dec 8, 2007, at 6:55 PM, "emanuele de raymondi"
<ederaymo2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, he was controversial and yes he had a big ego
(but isn't it the history of western music, for the most part,
a long list of ego-maniac personalities?). The "brilliant mind"
factor
I also find rather irrelevant. To those "brilliant mind" comments
you could easily attach an unspoken: "horrible man, awful musician,
but a brilliant mind indeed!".
Ultimately, in my opinion, what counts is the music the man left
behind,
and his music is almost always powerful, deep, original and full of
beauty.
On Dec 8, 2007 11:22 AM, peter price <pprice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
a more meaningful obit than most:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html
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Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:44:12 -0500
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "joel justice" <jj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microsound] stockhausen RIP
Message-Id: <E1J1T0W-0007HL-BH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Good Lord.
Sorry if I failed to understand your "inside joke" on the list.
And the "devine" analogy was perfectly clear Aleks. <sigh> My point
was that it had nothing to do with the iPhone.
Come down off of your pedestal my friend. People will take you or
I or
anyone else on this list as seriously as they wish. Quite frankly,
your use of profanity on the list has always bothered me, but I keep
my mouth shut because you are who you are. Whatever.
And - for the sake of argument about something that actually relates
to music... for me, *because* he was brilliant is precisely why I
couldn't care less about his "shortcomings." Indeed, we all have
those don't we?
You have a great weekend as well! I for one am thankful to have some
rain *finally* out here in the dry desert :-)
joel
It means that just because he was brilliant does not mean we should
ignore some of his short comings.
The simple fact that you don't understand the "devine" analogy
explains a lot to me.
The iphone sig is an inside joke between me and a fellow list
member.
When you act in this way do you really feel better about yourself?
Do
you think that people will take you seriously in the future.
Have a great weekend! Chill out a tad and relax. Life is too short
to
be sweatin crap like this.
Cheers
Aleks
On Dec 8, 2007, at 4:02 AM, Joel Justice <jj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"devine entity?" what in the world are you talking about?
On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:49 AM, Visa Kuoppala
<visa.kuoppala@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Joel Justice kirjoitti:
I love the:
"absolutely NOT sent from iPhone"
Makes you sound like a jerk.
What the fuck is wrong with the people on this list? Now that
Stockhausen is dead, do we suddenly need to ignore all the
controversial aspects of his persona and sement him as a divine
entity or something?
Or was this comment of yours just a random insult? It sure made
you
sound like a jerk.
- Visa
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:48:23 -0500
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From: "emanuele de raymondi" <ederaymo2@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microsound] stockhausen RIP
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You certainly don't need to be a "fanboy" to realize Stockhausen's
stature
in contemporary music culture. Like it or not he was a giant, and
that is
the "hard cold fact".
I just wish that in the hour of the man's passing we would be
talking about
his work and contribution, not about what he might have said once,
or if he
was a nice
guy with a bad temper. That's just gossip as far as I'm concerned..
ciao
On Dec 8, 2007 8:42 PM, aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You can attach whatever you want to some one else's comments but in
the end your assumption is what is truly irrelevant because it is
just
that, an assumtpion.
I honestly meant no disrespect, but if fanboys cannot separate their
emotions from hard cold facts then a meaningful conversation is a
moot point.
Cheers
Aleks
On Dec 8, 2007, at 6:55 PM, "emanuele de raymondi"
<ederaymo2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, he was controversial and yes he had a big ego
(but isn't it the history of western music, for the most part,
a long list of ego-maniac personalities?). The "brilliant mind"
factor
I also find rather irrelevant. To those "brilliant mind" comments
you could easily attach an unspoken: "horrible man, awful musician,
but a brilliant mind indeed!".
Ultimately, in my opinion, what counts is the music the man left
behind,
and his music is almost always powerful, deep, original and full of
beauty.
On Dec 8, 2007 11:22 AM, peter price <pprice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
a more meaningful obit than most:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:20:32 -0500
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microsound] stockhausen RIP
Message-Id: <4ACACB37-AFC5-4362-844A-2CCD8F5228E5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I've used profanity once on this list, and that was because my
personal inbox was getting flooded with people who were angry with
what they felt was my lack of appreciation with how expensive eye
wear
is.
You go out of your way to be a jerk then justify it by irrelevant
motivators.
" oh you once swore which absolutely excuses any idiotic behaviour
that I am going to display"
you ignore the fact that your first comment in this thread was a slam
on me. Which had nothing to do with the subject being discussed. you
make no sense what so ever.
Are people allowed to express their opinions on this list without
inciting some sort of mob mentality response?
Man
Aleks
Sent from an iPhone
On Dec 9, 2007, at 3:44 PM, "joel justice" <jj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Good Lord.
Sorry if I failed to understand your "inside joke" on the list.
And the "devine" analogy was perfectly clear Aleks. <sigh> My
point
was that it had nothing to do with the iPhone.
Come down off of your pedestal my friend. People will take you or
I or
anyone else on this list as seriously as they wish. Quite frankly,
your use of profanity on the list has always bothered me, but I keep
my mouth shut because you are who you are. Whatever.
And - for the sake of argument about something that actually relates
to music... for me, *because* he was brilliant is precisely why I
couldn't care less about his "shortcomings." Indeed, we all have
those don't we?
You have a great weekend as well! I for one am thankful to have
some
rain *finally* out here in the dry desert :-)
joel
It means that just because he was brilliant does not mean we should
ignore some of his short comings.
The simple fact that you don't understand the "devine" analogy
explains a lot to me.
The iphone sig is an inside joke between me and a fellow list
member.
When you act in this way do you really feel better about yourself?
Do
you think that people will take you seriously in the future.
Have a great weekend! Chill out a tad and relax. Life is too short
to
be sweatin crap like this.
Cheers
Aleks
On Dec 8, 2007, at 4:02 AM, Joel Justice <jj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"devine entity?" what in the world are you talking about?
On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:49 AM, Visa Kuoppala
<visa.kuoppala@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Joel Justice kirjoitti:
I love the:
"absolutely NOT sent from iPhone"
Makes you sound like a jerk.
What the fuck is wrong with the people on this list? Now that
Stockhausen is dead, do we suddenly need to ignore all the
controversial aspects of his persona and sement him as a divine
entity or something?
Or was this comment of yours just a random insult? It sure made
you
sound like a jerk.
- Visa
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:44:54 +0100
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Peter O'Doherty <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: stockhausen RIP: NYTimes article
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RIP
Good obit in the NYTimes but, perhaps it's just me, why oh why do
they feel the need to translate all the tiles of the works mentioned:
"Song of the Youths", "Groups", "Contacts", etc. (and Messiaen's
"Mode of Values and Intensities")? It's the first time I noticed
this. Do they always do this? I know the British and Irish are pretty
poor in foreign languages but even the Guardian used the "correct"
titles.
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Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:22:04 -0500
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: peter price <pprice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microsound] stockhausen RIP
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a more meaningful obit than most:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 06:41:17 -0800 (PST)
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: philip sherburne <philipsherburne@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: cog as an alternative to itunes?
Message-ID: <65499.72700.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
hi microsounders,
i haven't posted on here in years, and i'm afraid my question
won't be
terribly microsoundish; apologies in advance.
to those who were talking about COG, that's potentially music to
my ears. i've
had to move all my music to an external hard drive, as my laptop
filled up
ages ago (professional hazard, i suppose), and itunes does a
really terrible
job with finding music that's stored on externals. half the time
it tells me
the song in question can't be found, even when i haven't moved
anything or
changed any folder names. does anyone who's used COG know if it
handles that
better than itunes? in itunes it seems to be a problem of itunes'
complicated
folder structures, but i'm not 100% sure.
offlist is fine.
thanks,
philip
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:17:25 -0500
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Michael Kuszynski" <kuszynski@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fwd: performers: WARPER invite / flyer --- 12/12/2007
Brooklyn, NY
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Hello list friends,
Below is an event that features live electronic music performances in
Williamsburg (Brooklyn, NY), this coming Wednesday, December 12,
2007.
While largely revolving around Ableton Live, many will bring analog
gear and other twiddly-thingers (even drum kits, bass, and guitar!).
I will be performing material from my album, Early Collected Works,
unreleased material for 2008, Detroit classics, and modern cuts and
edits.
All present in the New York region should consider checking this out,
as there's a lot of different artists exploring a lot of different
paths in electronic music and utilizing some very diverse
technologies.
Cheers!
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info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.planerecordings.com
New York, NY
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Subject: performers: WARPER invite / flyer
hi fabulous artists, last warper was great, this next one looks like
its going to raise the roof, we have the most artists EVER, lots of
lead time for publicity, and a video crew from a very hip german TV
show coming to shoot.
we've got a super event to pitch and i want to ask all of you to put
the word out, by far our best publicity is word of mouth to our
friends! if each of us got just 3 - 5 people to come by, we could
double the turnout from last month, i want to play to a crowd, how
about you??
attached is the flyer, below is the invite with embedded links,
please
hit your email lists / post on bbs / chat groups / myspace / your web
page / forward to students / user groups etc.., email reminders the
day before or day of the party is very helpful too, THANKS!!
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Dj Shakey and Moldover present
the monthly party:
WARPER - 2yr. Anniversary Blowout!..
Two Rooms of Omnidigital DJs, Biomorphic Musicians, and
Multimedian Madness
WEDS. 12/12
Hey everybody, this is going to be a biggie, we have over 20 musical
acts, a record release party, clothing designers, art installations,
and visuals...all in one night in the HUGE Supreme Trading space in
Williamsburg Brooklyn. Dress your ubertekkafreakelastic best!
Oh...and there will be a television crew documenting it all for
the tv
show "Tracks" on the german ARTE network. You can see one of their
shows on dubstep HERE ..they are very cool.
WEDNESDAY, Dec. 12th
Supreme Trading
213 N. 8th st, (btw. Driggs and Roebling)
Williamsburg, Brooklyn 11211
(L train to Bedford stop, then two blocks)
718-599-4224
Featured Performance -
The Vacationist Presents:
Gregory Shiff "The Trapeze Artist & The Tightrope Walker" (Part 1
of 4)
Live Music from 8pm sharp
20+ electronic performers
Projected Images, Workshops, fashion, and Interactive Art too
FREE 21+
Last Warper's photos HERE.
www.TheVacationist.net
www.warperparty.com
Schedule:
FRONT ROOM
08:00 Patrick T-odd
08:40 Max Xiantu
09:10 DJ HeavyFlow
09:50 Kristina SuperGenius
10:20 OutHouse
10:50 Pushtobreak
11:20 Aerostatic
11:50 DJ Shakey
12:30 Michael Kuszynski
01:00 Atom
BACK ROOM
08:30 Plume
09:00 Sam Pluta
09:30 Elijah B Torn
10:15 Moldover
11:00 Featured Perfomer: Gregory Shiff - The Vacationist
12:00 Thomas Hildebrand
12:30 Lance Blisters
01:00 BangInclude
VISUALS (BACK ROOM)
09:00 Sam Pluta (Audio+Visual)
09:30 Elijah B Torn (Audio+Light Show)
10:15 Daniel Hai
11:00 SuperDraw
12:30 Lance Blisters (Audio+Visual)
01:00 Sandrine
AND:
Installation: The Dream Machine by Sandrine
"Industrial Dress" by B & B Designs (Bechtol & Boyd)