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Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe



Hi Mike

Super!

bård


On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Michael Palace wrote:

That is an excellent idea. It should be no problem to get the program to do what you mentioned.

I have read the project guideline mentioned in Kim's email. Give me a bit to discuss this concept with my co-worker about using our code for such a project.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bård Harazi Farbu" <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe


Excelent, Mike!

Could the program mentioned do(or be altered to do) the following?

1. creation state
Play,as a sequencer, a arrangement of samples. applying only small changes to samples. The same arrangement only with small variations though noticable.
lets say part one lasts for 3 min or so

2. random state
Complete and utter random. for a much shorter time span. 15 sec.

3. destruction state
part one in reverse.

it would be nifty;)

bård


On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Michael Palace wrote:

We have some code that does something similiar.

It basically harvests a bunch of sounds from existing directories, creates new patterns that change sample start, sample length, pans and pitches the samples with some simple stochastic models. Though the code only works for a brief period (1 -3 minutes) it could potentially be made to stream. Also all state variables are recorded as a simple text file, essentially allowing the user to go back in time and recreate the soundscape for a time period.

This was a prototype for grant proposal we submitted to the Langolais Foundation, which we did not get.

The prototype is down currently, but I can put it back up. It is programmed in Octave.

http://www.zero1media.com/10010010/

One the page v1.1 is a little series of songs we created.

More recent examples can be found at http://www.rpmchallenge.com/ jukebox/ and look under 10010010

I only post these as examples and not as a promotion or release information.

I suggest that we collect lots of samples from the microsound community and use these to make a continuous sound project. Just a thought.

Mike Palace

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bård Harazi Farbu" <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe


Hi Robert,

Thanks for the in depth response.

My fascination for the science in this theory is based more on an philosophical level, rather than an scientific. (I´m not equipped with a deep knowledge of the subject.)

Like the universe is presented in many of the early religions of the world, the theory presented describes a continuous creation, evolving time, period of chaos, and destruction. This mechanism fascinates me. An idea for a project would be something like an webbased application playing the piece 24/7. The application would be able to make small alternations to the piece during the creation and evolving part (since no universe is the same), then (the best part) a completely random state, then a reverse version of the first part - and finally beginning again with a slightly different piece/universe.

A workflow could be to first gather samples. Then finding a way of either arranging them in an ever-alternating sequence with the help of dsp. So I guess one would need an web-based instrument with preloaded samples one could use to mimmic the mechanism. The project would then need someone to program the instrument (don´t even now if it´s possible - it should be cross-platform application - which one would only need an web- browser to use.)

hmmmm

any thoughts?

bård



On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Robert Lewis wrote:

Hi,

As an ex-astrophysicist/cosmologist, I wanted to add that there are also other cosmological theories which have as a feature an essentially infinite, cyclic model of energy transfer, leaving out the question of how it all started, because in essence it has always been. Also, the Big Bang is not as proven as the mainstream would want people to believe (in fact is dis-proven, even Hubble himself was against it his whole life, "Hubble's Law" was someone else's interpretation of his empirical finding, not his own interpretation.) I studied plasma cosmology which is based more on electromagnetism and process philosophy paradigm, as opposed to the big bang which is based on gravity and the object oriented paradigm. In plasma cosmology there is no need for dark matter, dark energy, or big bangs: the
dynamics of the universe are explained by taking into account the
electromagnetic forces present at the large scale within the plasma present in the universe at all scales. Also in this model, time just runs, it doesn't run backwards ever, no need for such ideas. This doesn't mean that cyclic process is impossible, in fact oscillation is a very natural process in a universe that only runs forward (the direction of time is arbitrary in
this sense.)  To this day there is an ongoing battle between the
'relativists' and the 'Maxwellians'; i.e. between the gravity, object oriented paradigm, and the electromagnetic, process oriented paradigm.

Anyhow, I think it would be fun to base a microsound project on these ideas somehow, as you suggested. It ties into the ideas of discrete versus continuum as well. Well, I'll leave it at that. There is this whole pi
thing that I haven't even started on yet...

-robert

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bård Harazi Farbu <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Hi all

Read this in Wired today:

According to Turok, who teaches at Cambridge University, the Big
Bang represents just one stage in an infinitely repeated cycle of
universal expansion and contraction. Turok theorizes that
neither
time nor the universe has a beginning or end.

"Imagine you have a room full of air, with all these molecules
banging around. The vast majority of time, these molecules spread
uniformly -- but once in a trillion trillion years, they all end up in the corner of the room. If you look at the room and run the clock
forward, they'll eventually make themselves uniform: But it would
reverse, and you'd watch them flying into the corner. Then they'd fly
out again.

If this is right, it means that time runs forward for a while. Then
there's a random state without an arrow of time, then time runs
backwards, and then time runs forward   again. That's the bigger
picture: We're still very far away from understanding it, but that
would be my bet. "

In our picture, there was a universe before the Big Bang, very much
like our universe today: a low density of matter and some stuff
called dark energy. If you postulate a universe like this,
but the
dark energy within is actually unstable, then the decay of this dark
energy drives the two branes together. These two branes clash and
then, having filled with radiation, separate and expand to form
galaxies and stars.

       Then the dark energy takes over again. It's the energy of
attraction
between the two branes: It pulls them back together. You have bang followed by bang followed by bang. You have no beginning of time.
It's always been there.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/ qa_turok

Would't it be neat with a microsoundpiece modeling the beginning- less
and never-ending universe presented in this theory?


regards,

Bård Farbu

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www:    bardfarbu.com

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mvh,

Bård Farbu

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www: bardfarbu.com

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