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Re: [microsound] pita, fennesz. . . Patches in general




Sorry to have this happen so late (I get the digest version), but:

Toadying(?) (I assume as in putting down) I was not I just wanted a
discussion. . .  (but I seem to have just upset people). . .

And my feeling is not that the music is not "good," (I lost some respect
for
him, but I'm still listening to HP and +/-, and I'll probably buy
"Endless
Summer" when it comes out. . .) it's just that there is no credit. . .
and
no indication of where the work went, and was done by who. . . .



The guitar analogy is a little week. . . We can understand the skill of
a
guitar player, because we know what a guitar sounds like. . . (I think)
we've all even strummed its strings (at least once). We can recognize a
guitar and know how it sounds in the hands of a bad player and a good
player, because a guitar is universal. . .

A Max patch however is not. . . by no means. . . You can have patches
that
borderline play themselves, or far more involved processes, but the
patch is
still much more than a simple "instrument" (or brush. . .), because of
how
much hart and soul is already in the patch (I play both sides here, I
both
play and write my own patches. . . and all though you can sound bad
playing
them if you don't know what your doing it still sounds like me (just not
doing so well)). .. .

I also believe that there is an importance in knowledge of what your
actually doing that does not come from playing someone else's patches. .
.
That you may know how to get close to the sound that you want, but I
think
you need to know where that sound is coming from (how its made).

Well, I hope to here from both sides this time. . .

Thanks,
Vance


I'm not quite sure If i understand... its still the whole composer paradigm at stake here. If you don't like the guitar player analogy then we'll use an equally baseless analogy of the classical composer. when you hear a Bach CD, it's obviously not bach playing... its a modern orchestra. think of the orchestra as a max patch, they are kind of necessary, but really nobody gives a shit about them... most the time they get paid, but la-de-da you're listening to Bach.


not that c.fennesz can really be called a composer (yr know he does play those machines) he gets the credit, the patches are his anonymous orchestra. who's to say this is a good or bad thing, it just is.

forget the coder, forget the damn software, forget the platforms or the patches... they're just for kicks.

we need to write a manifesto. lets be invisible again.