Re: [microsound] Re: musique cement

["cecil touchon" <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am married to a mexican woman, I am an american, Her english isn't
perfect, it's her second language, I am to be pittied with spanish. But when
she speaks english, for several years I had a great difficulty recalling
things that she said becuase of this problem if free language which a person
using english as a second language seems to do (actually she is speaking
spanish in english) but it makes it very difficult to formulate a memory of
such a conversation becuase nothing is familiar in her speach.
It is an interesting thing. But yes, in such a situation you reasize very
clearly how much everyone speaks in clusters of cliches to communicate and
how we tend to hear in the same way - converting things into a familiar
venacular.
My books of massurrealist collage poetry experiment with such things
http://touchon.com/COLLAGEPOETRY/
Maybe something you said is in there... or will be.
Cecil Touchon

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----- Original Message -----
From: david turgeon <dt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: [microsound] Re: musique cement

> > >  it's like trying to have a conversation with someone but only being
allowed
> > > to recite prepared sentences.  I want to talk freely.  is that a good
> > > enough reason?
>
> correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i understand, a good part of the
> things you & i say are "prepared" in some way, otherwise your brain
> would be working way too hard trying to reinvent the wheel all the time.
>  what your brain does is patching up pieces of possible conversation in
> order to form more or less what you mean.  (but maybe someone better
> versed in linguistics can precise/refute this?)
>
> that of course doesn't say anything of the fact that nobody can ever
> "talk freely" without learning of vocabulary & grammar basics, or even
> inventing their own rules.  meaning certainly does not come out of thin
> air...  this continues the analogy with the computer which "learns"
> sounds & methods, which you can trigger later on as you think of
> something you would like to have it "say"...  the more relevant data you
> have, the more precise you can be.
>
> computers will allow you to "talk freely" only insofar as you teach it
> the vocabulary & grammar you need.  in that sense, it isn't so different
> from our own capacity of making sense through speech.
>
> another comment to finish: a good saxophone player will feel that they
> can "play freely" & express everything they want through their
> instrument.  but the truth is, they can't make a C64-like "BLEEP!!!"
> sound even if they wanted to.  yet, the musician will insist that they
> feel "free" to play what they want.  they will not have the feeling that
> they are, in fact, repeating figures, sentences, tricks that they have
> practiced, prepared, thought of hundreds of times before.  freedom is,
> as ever, a very relative thing.
>
> have a nice day
> ~ david
>
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