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Re: [microsound] Re: musique cement



yes!!!

ross birdwise wrote:

> "another comment to finish: a good saxophone player
> will feel that they
> can "play freely" & express everything they want
> through their
> instrument.  but the truth is, they can't make a
> C64-like "BLEEP!!!"
> sound even if they wanted to.  yet, the musician will
> insist that they
> feel "free" to play what they want.  they will not
> have the feeling
> that
> they are, in fact, repeating figures, sentences,
> tricks that they have
> practiced, prepared, thought of hundreds of times
> before.  freedom is,
> as ever, a very relative thing."
>
> I think the saxophonist might be able to make
> something C64ish bleep-like perhaps through some sort
> of new technique or by 'preparing' their instrument in
> some way, perhaps even through electronics.  If the
> saxophonist used electronics I think you might get
> into questions about what constitutes the limits of an
> instrument, or you might have to consider how the
> system 'saxophone + electronics system' produces the
> bleep sound.......I agree with you that freedom is a
> relative thing.
>
> I think that the computer physically limits the
> relationship that the player of the music has to the
> sound outputed relative to a 'real' instrument.  I'm
> not taking sides on this issue.  I think that each
> practice has advantages and disadvantages and that
> what you get out of either practice partially depends
> upon the type of person you are, and/or your
> expectations of the medium.
>
> r.
>
> --- david turgeon <dt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >  it's like trying to have a conversation with
> > someone but only being allowed
> > > > to recite prepared sentences.  I want to talk
> > freely.  is that a good
> > > > enough reason?
> >
> > correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i understand,
> > a good part of the
> > things you & i say are "prepared" in some way,
> > otherwise your brain
> > would be working way too hard trying to reinvent the
> > wheel all the time.
> >  what your brain does is patching up pieces of
> > possible conversation in
> > order to form more or less what you mean.  (but
> > maybe someone better
> > versed in linguistics can precise/refute this?)
> >
> > that of course doesn't say anything of the fact that
> > nobody can ever
> > "talk freely" without learning of vocabulary &
> > grammar basics, or even
> > inventing their own rules.  meaning certainly does
> > not come out of thin
> > air...  this continues the analogy with the computer
> > which "learns"
> > sounds & methods, which you can trigger later on as
> > you think of
> > something you would like to have it "say"...  the
> > more relevant data you
> > have, the more precise you can be.
> >
> > computers will allow you to "talk freely" only
> > insofar as you teach it
> > the vocabulary & grammar you need.  in that sense,
> > it isn't so different
> > from our own capacity of making sense through
> > speech.
> >
> > another comment to finish: a good saxophone player
> > will feel that they
> > can "play freely" & express everything they want
> > through their
> > instrument.  but the truth is, they can't make a
> > C64-like "BLEEP!!!"
> > sound even if they wanted to.  yet, the musician
> > will insist that they
> > feel "free" to play what they want.  they will not
> > have the feeling that
> > they are, in fact, repeating figures, sentences,
> > tricks that they have
> > practiced, prepared, thought of hundreds of times
> > before.  freedom is,
> > as ever, a very relative thing.
> >
> > have a nice day
> > ~ david
> >
> >
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