Re: [microsound] A remark about the list

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That advertising stuff doesn't bother me as much as all the clutter 
accumulated from people not trimming their posts, which would only take 
a couple of seconds.  Instead of doing this, which someone just did:

>---- On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, fatih kizilgok (fkizilgok@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
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>>Hello!
>>I would love to see what everybody else think about people that just use 
>>this list as an advertisement board? I mean, I do enjoy reading the 
>>discussions, they are very informative for someone like me that is ONLY AN 
>>AUDIENCE MEMBER. (I do not practice every interesting music that I enjoy as 
>>most of the people here seems to do.) Ok, I only get the digest version, and 
>>man, Seeing Twine ads and a little footnote (discography, concert dates, 
>>girlfriend blurbs etc.) under most people's e-mail is really distracting and 
>>a little funny. It seems like this is a growing activity among the 
>>underground. Why would someone do such a thing while in the same time 
>>criticizing the mass media noise? Would you feel comfortable if you were on 
>>a car-racing list and people would just post pictures of their own cars and 
>>rant about their rave machines and tell you dates of when they will drive 
>>through your town? I just want to overhear discussions about intellectual 
>>ideas about music and sound, and actually this list does it really well only 
>>if you could filter out where the new up-coming ARTIST is playing next week 
>>and what url to go to to check out his mp3s.
>>
>>It seems like the appreciation-refuse relationship is changing in our times, 
>>you do not need any fans to be famous, you do not need to be a appreciated 
>>musician in order to perform, you do need to get your demo to record labels 
>>in order to get it released. You could be famous by believing firmly that 
>>you are respectable, you could record every single button push and release 
>>it on your own, you could create your own covers by following the trends. 
>>You DO NOT NEED TO APPRECIATED ANYMORE!
>>This could be te result of the croni-DIY era, huh? You buy a cd, you like 
>>the music, you get on the internet, you look at concert pictures, gear lists 
>>etc. to figure out what gear musicians use, then, you go down to guitar 
>>center, or go online again and let your credit card do the rest. After you 
>>have all the gear, you go through the manuals and figure out how to get your 
>>INSTRUMENT to bearly work and try to imitate the sounds you have heard on 
>>the cd. After you record your COMPOSITIONS and naming them ACCORDINGLY, 
>>depending on the length of music you could come up with, you go online again 
>>to order 100 3" cdrs or 100 normal cdrs and burn them home without the 
>>labels and most likely put them in a clear see-through MINIMALIST cover. 
>>Then go online again, buy a url and server space and name it 
>>www.awordfromajohncagebook.com or www.thisworddoesexistinthedictionary.com 
>>and then sell your cd online. Also make sure you emphasize the limited 
>>editionness of your cd to make people believe that there is some other kind 
>>of superior value to your cd than the music it contains. Then, post your cd 
>>and url on a mailing list so you can get a crowd and also start thinking how 
>>cool you are going to be on stage with your new gear making music that most 
>>AUDIENCE members will not understand unless they are interested in your 
>>gear.
>>
>>I am sure this post of mine could piss some people off, but that is ok as 
>>long as they explain to me why I am wrong. I also wanted to say to those who 
>>spoiled my ears with their genius music over the years, Thank you very much 
>>for your geniuneness and shining the light through so much crap that the 
>>digitalist post-modern times brought to my life.
>>
>>special note for Twine: I am sorry I used your name, but I chose you as the 
>>poster-child because, I have heard you perform live here in Boulder at BMOCA 
>>and I did not think you were as accomplished as you believe and want to make 
>>believe that you are. I remember you wrote something on somewhere on the 
>>internet saying you could spit out a merzbow track in half an hour.  I could 
>>easily say the same thing about your music actually, it is very on the 
>>surface and does not strike any kind of emotions or feelings about life nor 
>>music and sound itself. (from what I have heard so-far that is) it is not 
>>the time that counts in order to make as genuine a music as Merzbow does. I 
>>am sure before you even now what a microphone or a filter was, Merzbow was 
>>investigating the hidden depths of sound,noise and music. Although, I would 
>>also like to say that I liked your work with Mark Amerika on Filmtext. I 
>>thought your project with Mark in Japan was very interesting from what I 
>>heard from him and john Vega.
>>
>>Goodbye.
>>

They could instead simply quote the beginning of the passage and if the 
readers wanted to pursue it further, they could review the message that 
had been sent previously.  There's no need to quote everything.  Simply 
this:

---- On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, fatih kizilgok (fkizilgok@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:

>Hello!
>I would love to see what everybody else think about people that just use 
>this list as an advertisement board?
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would be sufficient.  Then all the self-promotion stuff wouldn't consume 
all that much bandwidth.  Just a little courtesy that would be highly 
appreciated.

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