Re: [microsound] Bill Jarboe on neo-modermism

["ph!L @ c e n t i b e l" <hellomynameisphil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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though intended for me, i thought i would forward this response to the
list.

>From: Bill Jarboe
>Sent: 14/12/2002 9:21:20 PM
>To: hellomynameisphil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [microsound] neo-modermism
>
>on 12/14/02 7:24 PM, ph!L @ c e n t i b e l at 
>hellomynameisphil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: 

[snip]

> do you think there's a way we could return to (some aspects of) 
> modernism without falling into the traps you identify? Is there some
way 
> to "integrate" modernism with postmodernism in some useful way? You
talk 
> about "the very worst sort of modernism"; what is "the very best
sort?" 

cocteau? the great american novel ? Sinatra with Quincy Jones? 

> And maybe we should spell out what exactly is wrong with "a belief in 
> science and rationality." 

someone can prove you wrong which puts a person at risk for losing grant
money etc. -hard on the nerves. 

>Is there another "science and rationality" we 
> could go (back) to without duplicating all the worst aspects of 
> modernity? What about Critical Art Ensemble's use of science? 

what about the Art Ensemble of Chicago. . what about their girlfriends
?. . 
heck , why not call it 'Critical Mass ' and go back to religion except
make 
it as small and dense as possible , be aware of one's surroundings and
don't 
swallow everything hook line and sinker?I wonder if it would detonate 
something. 

[snip]

> I need some clarification here. You say that the relation between 
> modernism and postmodernism is not dialetical. Then you use
dialectical 
> language to describe the relationship between mod and pomo. 

pomade 

'made with apples ' 

'I think you're onto some serious 
pre-linguistic shit here' whatever thAt means 

[snip]

> Is there a possibility of using the word "new" in a contingent 
> (postmodern) way? 

as opposed to 'used' ? 

Several years ago employers in the area would ask :"do you own a pc"
while 
thinking intensely" do you own up easy?" and think that was using your 
brains. 
There's still alot of 'newspeak' , double-talk in the business world , 
though not as obvious , and that's one reason executives often take us 
'experimental electronic musicians' for such complete fools. 

> Not arguing, just engaging. 

very engaging 

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