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Re: [microsound] OT See men shredded, then say you don't back war
aren't you all glad I lost the "no politics" debate yesterday? :P
-Joe
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From: "Falcata-Galia and Tariff Records" <fgrecs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'microsound'" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: [microsound] OT See men shredded, then say you don't back war
Bill,
All of your bluster sounds like you're proudly displaying your little
red book and Che Guevara t-shirt. The left swears everything is a
conspiracy. Chavez is a dirtbag. The upper echelons in ALL Latin
American countries are corrupt. But the reality is that any government,
including yours, deals with the powers that be, be they sweethearts or
filthy thugs.
And Allende got knocked off because even members of his own party
worried about his making attempts to radically change the Chilean
constitution. But I'm sure you'll say this is some crazed rightist
fabrication. As the left doesn't lie, do they?
Regards,
Rudy Carrera
Falçata-Galia Recordings
Tariff Records
PO Box 134
Rialto, California 92377 USA
http://www.falcata-galia.com
http://www.tariffrecords.com
http://members.tripod.com/musicsource7/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: billashline@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:billashline@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:38 PM
To: microsound
Subject: Re: [microsound] OT See men shredded, then say you don't back
war
Well, Venezuela is a good test case of what happens when democratically
elected government on the left runs into a belligerent ruling class.
They finance a general strike to paralyze the economy and force the
democratically elected president out of office. OK, so Chavez is a
little autocratic--compared to whom? George W. Bush?
this is what happens to people when they face economic strangulation by
the ruling elites even while they have the majority of support from down
below.
Of all the sources you cite below, only one comes from a fairly unbiased
source--HRW. The rest are pretty much the going western media of
governments who would love to see Chavez go down. One of your sources
is the Washington Times, for god's sake. Reverend Sung Myong Moon's
paper, as filthy right wing as they come. HRW calls for an
investigation of four murders. But at the bottom you'll notice there
have been no confirmed cases of extrajudicial killings of opposition
supporters.
Venezuela is Allende, Take 2, with perhaps a little less CIA involvement
this time.
eloy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>Wasn't Chavez ELECTED by a majority of voters?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, he was. Twice.
>
>He has since become increasingly autocratic.
>Today he behaves like a dictator.
>
>Personal prosecutions, treats, kidnappings, bombings,
>TV and radio stations shut down, currency controls...
>
>http://hrw.org/press/2003/02/venezuela021903.htm
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2827273.stm
>http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20030306-19312618.htm
>http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N10230540
>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/21/opinion/21FRI2.html?ex=1046408400
>http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20030207/I
BVENE
>/Business/business/businessInternationalHeadline_temp/1/1/4/
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/2549601.stm
>http://www.terra.com.ve/actualidad/galeria/galeriacat733.htm
>
>... I'm sure you can find much more info...
>
>This a rather sophisticated issue, one, I'm afraid,
>I won't have much time to discuss... -- and which
>probably doesn't really belong in this forum.
>
>cheers,
>
>Eloy
> ------
>eloy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>http://groovylab.com/
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dbuchwald [mailto:dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:17 PM
>To: microsound
>Subject: Re: [microsound] OT See men shredded, then say you don't back
>war
>
>
>Wasn't Chavez ELECTED by a majority of voters? Or were there
>manipulations?
>
>Dagmar
>
>
>Eloy Anzola wrote:
>
>
>>Dragmar, Everyone.
>>
>>The government in Venezuela, today, is not
>>democratic.
>>
>>cheers,
>>
>>Eloy Anzola
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dbuchwald [mailto:dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:42 PM
>>To: microsound
>>Subject: Re: [microsound] See men shredded, then say you don't back
war
>>
>>No one questions the inhumanity and brutality of Saddam Hussein. The
>>U.S. government brought him into power. Now they are trying to get
rid
>>of him. For reasons of humanity? I doubt it. If it was for
>>humanitarian reasons, they wouldn't help to install a military
>>dictatorship in Venezuela and undermine the democratic government
there.
>>
>>All right, go to war. But who will die? Civilians. American
soldiers.
>>Not Saddam. Who is next?
>>
>>Dagmar
>>
>>"::)" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-614607,00.html
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>>>jinjin_a_gogo: i wonder what he's listening to in those bigass
>>>
>>>
>headphones
>
>
>>>while's he's spinning this shit for us
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