Re: [microsound] re: madrid ?

["jan.larsson" <jan.l@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yannick, maybe the other way round. Maybe we can learn a lesson or two in citizen participation from the citizens of spain.

A basic idea of terrorism, bombs and such is to scare people so you can have your way. Killing a few hundred innocent people accomplish nothing by itself but if you can scare the rest ... 

So I was very impressed by the pictures and stories from spain this weekend. 11 million people manifesting on the streets rather than sitting at home clinging to a gun, a quarter of the population. What a great people!! 

On top of that they threw out their government this evening.

/Jan L.


>hi microsound list,
>
>i have a small problem with that madrid-related project...
>so i would like to share my doubts.
>
>***please consider this post as a very small contribution to the 
>discussion, and not as a pose, an agressive provocation, some personal 
>attacks or something like that...***
>
>as i consider myself against violence, i am wondering if i want to 
>participate.
>i believe that most of the audience of the microsound list project is 
>the list participants (and that is absolutly not a problem for me). so 
>what kind of effect will this memorial project could have about "no more 
>bomb" hopes ?
>i don't think that terrorists / military maniacs read our posts and 
>listen to our music...
>i don't believe in peace related hymn/anthem but much more on 
>discussion/construction of peace.
>
>if we just produce our usual soundwork, are we just showing our 
>compassion with victims and their family (like we have shown our 
>interest into stockhausen, lisa glitches and tarkovski music) ? but 
>who's looking at our compassion except ourselves ?
>maybe it is not enough just to express emotions (tv is stronger than 
>microsounds).
>just a small example about what i mean : during the start of gulf war, 
>there was huge number of people against it. but spanish government 
>didn't listen to them, aznar just made it...
>if a government don't care about some many individuals, who cares about 
>sound artists ???
>
>shouldn't we provoque some reflexion about the needs of violence (rudy, 
>could you develop your ideas about war ? i am not sure to clearly 
>understand them) or maybe how could we handle non-violence at the 
>different scales (personnaly, i prefer this one...).
>
>one humble suggestion, could we try to speak about our practices, which 
>are supposed to show some other ways of thinking, participating and 
>evolving.
>could these creation behaviours, artistic collaborations, and social 
>interrelations be a kind of model for citizen participation ? how ?
>
>and finally could we produces projects that are related to these topics ?
>
>friendly,
>
>yannick.
>
>ps : i am not english fluent writing, so i hope there won't have some 
>non-sense emerging...
>

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