Re: [microsound] Re: futurists + fascistas

[henk b <kluster@xxxxxxxxx>]

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if i want to join a newsgroup or a forum about politics i would, but not
here on this one please

henk

> Van: Ian Andrews <i.andrews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Beantwoord: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Datum: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:03:48 +1100
> Aan: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Onderwerp: Re: [microsound] Re: futurists + fascistas
> 
> tobias c. van Veenwrote:
> 
>> 
>> hola list et al,
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, the futurists _were_ fascists; that's not contention but fact.
>> Marinetti was an avid supporter of Mussolini, in word and deed, and the
>> futurists embraced World War I.
> 
> absolutely!
> 
>> However, I think it's fair to qualify Mussolini's fascism from Hitler's Nazi
>> party and its fascism. The level of street violence practiced by _any_
>> political party at the time is unbelievable, whether fascist, imperialist,
>> communist, anarchist, etc. There is a context to be carefully observed here
>> because it is twisted with our own.
> 
> I would be very careful in attempting to put a positive gloss on Mussolini's
> Fascism. The politics of Mussolini's Fascist party privileged the rights of
> the strong over the weak in a similar way to the Nazis. Hence they
> victimised the sick and disabled, Gypsies, etc. They were just as inhuman in
> this regard.
>> 
>> Also, thinking here of another post, futurism is not fascism nor is it
>> conservatism nor neoconservatism.
> 
> Some have called it Fascism (I'm thinking of Walter Benjamin's famous
> remark) and I'm not sure that they are wrong. Futurism was guilty of
> aestheticising politics (this was Benjamin's contention). This
> aestheticisation of politics proceeded by the systematic application of
> aesthetic judgements (judgements of taste) directly to political ideology.
> Thus they  glorified war as the supreme aesthetic/political experience. The
> Nazis similarly aestheticised politics and this resulted in their being able
> to presecute anyone not conforming to the aesthetic ideals of "racial
> purity."
> Jurgen Habermas arges that this type of fascism occurs when one of the three
> autonomous spheres of modernity (aesthetics/art, religion/ethics,
> logic/science) sets out to determine politics solely on its own terms. This
> is currently most obvious in Islamic fundamentalism where politics is
> determined prdominantly by religion. Christian fundamentalism posses an
> equally dangerous outcome.
> 
> However, although the Futurists were Fascists, an although Futurism was
> (arguably) a fascist ideology, this should not prevent us from examining
> their ideas and gaining something from this process. Nor should we abandon
> the works of Heidegger and De Man, who also fell under the spell of Fascism.
> 
> ian  
>> 
> 
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