Re: [microsound] essay on TWiki site

[Peter Price <pprice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Tobias,

I would like to try to respond to your comments, but first I want some 
more information about some of the things you mentioned:

 Where does John Cage say "Jazz is the future." I had thought that John 
Cage had a rather dim view of Jazz as well, but I think I must have 
been misinformed.

On what are you basing the idea that Adorno "did not dig  musics and 
styles of performance originating from cultures of colour"

Do you think this paints him as a racist, and was that your intention?

Also, could you lead me to some info about Nam June Paik's interest in 
DJ culture. This also slipped past my radar.

thanks,

peter


On Saturday, January 15, 2005, at 12:58 AM, tobias c. van Veen wrote:

> If this is at all considered to be representative of even a critique 
> of dj
> culture, the least I can say is that it is, as Graham hinted at,
> authoritarian and, perhaps worse, incredibly boring. In fact, it's even
> insulting to Adorno, who had much more interesting and even subtle 
> things to
> say of the culture industries, despite also indulging in this similar
> parallel to the article -- not digging various musics and styles of
> performance originating from cultures of colour (Jamaica, 
> African-Americans,
> etc -- Adorno's favourite demon in music was jazz. John Cage, on the 
> other
> hand, saw jazz as the future. And for that matter, Nam June Paik,
> grandmother of new media, dug vinyl and dj culture too .. just giving 
> some
> counter-balance on this tip .. do I sound like a broken record? Only 
> because
> issues of RACE seem so occluded in this context .. ).
>
> Kid Koala? Scratch Picklz? Jeff Mills?
>     Grandmaster Flash's Adventures on the Wheels of Steel?
> Dj Rolando? Underground Resistance? Dj T-1000?
>     Richie Hawtin? Phillip Sherburne?
>     Frankie Bones? Laurent Garnier?
> Dj CRAZE? Q-Bert? [they developed SCRATCH NOTATION .. ]
>     Mixmaster Mike?
>     Fishead?
>     Dan Doormouse?
>     Algorithm?
>
>     MARTIN TETREAULT?
>
>     PHILLIP JECK?
>
>     ESTHER BOURDAGES?
>
>     NAM JUNE PAIK?
>
>     JANEK SCHAEFER?
>
>
> .. all djs ..
>
> It's not even worth responding to: this kind of pseudo-aesthetic 
> garbage
> mainly consists of bad stereotypes masquerading authoritarian 
> aesthetics as
> "cultural critique."
>
> Poor Debord.
>
> - tV
>
> > reeks of adorno idiocy...
> >
> > > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/IbanezEssay
> > > I also created a link to it from the main page so you can find it 
> > > there
> > > as well:
> > > http://microsound.nexthop.net/bin/view.cgi/Main/WebHome
> > > enjoy!
> > > KIM
> > >
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