Re: [microsound] outsider artists

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you should also check out Paul Laffoley...he gets thrown in to the outsider artist category a lot for reasons I personally find difficult to discern.  Hard to imagine an aural equivalent to this guy.     mhw


> I agree.  What is the definition of an "Outsider artist" then?  I have 
> seen a few people on that Wiki list perform so i dont know how they can 
> be considered outside artist's.  As you stated most of the individuals 
> on the list have a body of work that you can purchase.  Wesley Willis 
> can be an example of sorts.   Shure he  has some serious mental 
> problem's and would still be banging away at his keyboard composing 
> such classic as "Osama Bin can suck a camel dick" regardless of whether 
> it would afford him a self sufficient life... which brings me to my 
> main point/curiosity.
> 
> If someone eeks out a living with his art, is he considered main 
> stream?  Is Wesley Willis not an outside artist because he makes a 
> living off of his work?  I think there is an inherent difference with 
> an artist in any Genre who mass markets his/her art for profit, 
> networking with Gallery big wigs, collectors, and pompus critics, as 
> opposed to someone who pays the bills with his work but profit isnt the 
> main motivator, being able to eat, pay the rent and buy the supplies 
> needed to see your next project through.  We do live in a capitalist 
> wolrd and you need money in order to continue exhisting.
> 
> Maybe someone can provide a name but there was an artist who was 
> discovered after his death, when his landlord went to clear the unit of 
> his possessions, what he discovered was over forty years of work, large 
> sccrolling murals done in pen, ink and watercolour, the subject matter 
> was almost always children, sometimes the works could be miscontrued as 
> rather disturbing, almost of a pedophelic nature.
> 
> does this strike a chord in any one?  anyone happen to know the 
> artist's name?  This to me is a great example of a true outsider making 
> art for himself, whatever the motivators are(I think he was disturbed 
> and the drawing were a part of his fantasy world)  I read about him in 
> collage eons ago.  Would like to find some more info on him now.  Im 
> shure there are plenty of similar examples.
> 
> 
> aLEKs
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2005, at 2:24 PM, vadim wrote:
> 
> > On 5/25/05, Mr.D <craque@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> this is what was going through my head too... that if it's truly
> >> 'outsider' we wouldn't be able to codify it, because we would never
> >> hear it. :)
> >
> > i can remember who originally said this, i believe i read it in the
> > liner notes to a sonic youth record, 'the music is compromised once it
> > leaves your head.'
> >
> >> a concert, be in a location, buy an album.
> >
> > all marketable things, btw.
> > i think we start getting into the thorny issue of who decides what is
> > "art" which to me, more than likely means how can it be sold/marketed.
> > thats why the outsider art rubric is so bullshit. darger is not
> > outsider art because you can buy the book, see the movie, wear the
> > t-shirt. it may not be everyone's cup of tea but people (not the
> > artist) have gone to great lengths to introduce his work to the mass
> > populace.
> >
> > i can see something like harry smith's documentation of rural/folk
> > music as being called outsider art in that many of the people
> > appearing on his records did not set out to record or publish music.
> > they were vehicles for oral history, entertaining friends and family,
> > etc.
> >
> > im not sure if this is terribly accurate, but visual art seems to have
> > more of a tangible quality to it, implying a more significant sense of
> > ownership perhaps? or maybe that we (i guess i should say
> > predominantly western european popular culture) have a more
> > restrictive idea of what is artful in terms of music than in visual
> > art.
> >
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