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Re: [microsound] ON TOPIC, or why do men start fires >?<



Two snaps and a 'round the world.

k:p


On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:49 AM, bryan garcia wrote:

"right, the fuck , on"

<artist>

--- graham miller <grahammiller@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


THIS is EXACTLY the kind of links that people should
be allowed to post here,
regardless of list.

is is NOT necessarily self-promotion but rather a
POTENTIAL BASIS for the
kind(s) of philosophical  discussions on music and
microsound culture that are
supposedly supposed to happen here.

how is anyone supposed to discuss anything unless
there is some kind of FIRST
CAUSE, whether that's a post, a picture or a piece?

trying to make it to a gig halfway around the world
is one thing...

but i'm all for artists posting links to their
work...

otherwise, you end up with endless debates as to the
conversational power of a
stoplight...

i USED to actually find out information here.  and
links would generate
discussion. whether it was an article, a  MAX/MSP
patch, a new label or piece
of software, sounds from space, MP3s, AIFFs, WAVs,
MPEGS, WMVs...  i mean,
honestly, what the hell does twiki have to do with
anything music?  i don't
even know what a twiki is, but i'm pretty sure
they'd be happier in the wild
and not in a cage.

this whole no links bullshit (for fear of being
BANNED to the furthest reaches
of the internet) seems to prioritize the written
word, online reading lists, or
ink and paper, as the first cause from which
discussion is to stem... so
fucking university, it's makes me sick.  let's get
into actual art itself as
the basis for discussion... NOT what's been written
about it... i have to deal
with that kind of intellectually removed bullshit on
a daily basis elsewhere...

with these kinds of global online groups there's the
potential to engage music,
musicians and artist on a GRASSROOTS level... you
get the benefit by BYPASSING
the record label filters, the publishing company
filters, the 'taste' filters,
and go straight to the source and dialogue directly
with the artists
themselves... why aren't we talking advantage of
that? why do you think all the
musician have left here?

why can't people talk about their own work? WTF?
it's hard enough for our kind
of music to get any kind of recognition as it is...

i for one would love to have people like twerk,
sutekh, deadbeat back here... i
can even deal with taylor dupree's spacebar static
just to make everyone happy.

i highly doubt john cage is going to post anything
here anytime soon... or
xenakis or even fucking curtis roads for that
matter... let's deal with the
artists that are:

A) alive

B) online

C) post here

to be honest, the kind of draconian enforcement of
some kind ambiguous
manifesto drafted to serve the intents of a handful
of people (which only post
on microsound to remind people NOT to post on
microsound) has driven away
contribution, NOT encouraged it.  meanwhile it seems
fine to have a signature
file with a dozen hyperlinks... i have no problem
with that and i personally
check out everybody's work and find it a great
source of encouragement and
inspiration.

anyway, this has been bugging me for a while and i'd
hate to see a new poster
chastised for contributing links to their work...

i've kept every single microsound post on my
computer for the past four years
or whatever i've been here... there is definitely a
difference and i hardly
think the solution is have less posts rather than
more...

art and artists come first. theory comes later.
discussion comes later. that's
the way it's always been.

let's see more links. and then let's talk about
them? cool? cool.

graham.



Joseph Scott wrote:


I have posted some digital photos that I modified

using basic techniques in

free photo editing software. The photos often

resemble visual equivalents of

microsound works, hence me posting the link here:





http://pub48.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=4063395084


If other people on this list are also involved

with innovative visual art

and have works online, please post links on the

list or offlist to me.






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