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First of all I couldnt care less about US politics since I live on the
other side of the world. On this side of the world, we don't have
intellectual-class-packed technocratic festivals full of hundreds of
people with university level mindframe.
I was careful to point out that perhaps the present political
environment
here was the *reason* I may be more sensitive to people who use the
language of fact when they're tossing around unsupported opinion;
don't care much whether it's the Taliban or some guy who's decided
we all need video projectors now. The point wasn't that you should be
concerned about American politics, but that it might explain *my*
reactions.
While I'm sorry that you don't find yourself in a situation where there
are a lot opportunities of the sort you'd like, I don't think it's
particularly reasonable or appropriate to simply assert "how
things are" and what we should all be doing based on where
you are.
Economically, its all loss and no gain for sure. Thats where I'm
speaking
from. Forgive my imperative statments, but there's a BIG part of the
e-music community that doesnt enjoy "plenty of room for other
possibilities".
Again - how is it that you came to speak for that BIG part of
the e-music community? Was there an election we missed?
I have no doubt that you believe in what you're saying, etc.
since I don't know anyone locally to whom I'd be able to speak
to verify your characterizations of where you are) It just seems
a little presumptuous.
Children in most countries of the world couldnt possibly
relate even to a computer keyboard.
Quite true. But what does that have to do with having to
do visuals all the time?
Electronic artists in general have a hard time around here (unless we
chose to stay locked in a room for the rest of our artistic life).
Well, you're *here*, aren't you? Or are you thinking of some kind
of status or recognition locally? There's not a lot of it anywhere,
I expect. The community of listeners is widely distributed, and
loosely connected, I think.
We are
middle class intellectuals like most of the posters in microsound,
but we
ARE constrained when it comes to artistic production.
Well, happily there's plenty of open-source stuff out there. You'd
be surprised at where those Pd pieces are coming from, these
days.
This is why I was
proposing a more socialist approach to an e-music performance, not so
technocratic, a way to adress people who dont even know what is
code, and
maybe even never saw a laptop other than on TV.
Here's my problem with Chion: You can just close your eyes and
listen on the cheap. People do it all the time, and you need not
care a bit about what it is that's making that divine noise. No
projector necessary.
Apart form this, I think its pretty clear that everything I write
IS my
personal opinion.
Ah. Perhaps it's a second-language thing. I have a similar
problem in Dutch, but in reverse - people say that I tend to
describe everything - even matters of fact - as my opinions.
It's easy to correct the impression you've made, just by saying
"I think that...." or "In my opinion..." before that proposition.
Adding those three words fixes everything. I still don't agree
with your requirement that we all do visual shows, but you're
not claiming to speak on my behalf, either. :-)
Except perhaps that e-music live enactment topic where I
-was- sure everybody would agree.
nope.
Al forums keep discussing that onstaging
problem since internet went on. I maybe wrong about that,
yep.
and yet, I
wonder where all those VJs came from??
Different discourse. Don't assume that there's only one kind
of electronic music.
Forgive me again if Im being too defensive, but its time that some
people
recognised that there is a huge world full of artists also
interested in
technology, that dont necessarily share the same resources as the
"originals".
The question of constraint affects us all, even in situations
where there's a wider pool of tools and resources. For me,
the more interesting question is how you deal with constraint;
is your anger and frustration better spent on finding ways you
*can* do work at the moment and with the resources available
to you [don't know why Messaien's "Quartet for the End of Time"
comes to mind here, but why not?], creating other opportunities,
and so on. I have a nice set of end-blown sulings [Javanese
flutes] sitting right here at my feet. When the power goes out,
I play quietly and am happy. I've worked with visualists before
and even done my own visuals. I don't think I should be
deprived of the choice to work with them or not. I'm sorry that
you think things are different where you are.
One good proof of this is that I cant even understand all of
the complex language in your response, since Im not an english native
speaker.
You're doing very well, actually. I'll try to avoid being obtuse,
in future.
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