[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
Re: [microsound] Serious Artist?
On 14-Sep-06, at 10:36 AM, aleks vasic wrote:
Which of the following could be considered serious artists?
Phillip Glass, Hayden, Stockhausen or C and C Music Factory, Paris
Hilton, Ricky Martin?
i lot of really bad 'artists' take themselves pretty seriously.
delusions of grandeur, if you will. look at these interviews. they're
hilarious. i think what these people confuse is artistry from
celebrity. they take being a celebrity pretty seriously. very few -
andy warhol comes to mind - are able to fuse the two into one giant
performance piece. most so-called professional artists are actually
professional celebrities. but i'm not telling anyone here anything
they don't already know.
I do not find it a useless term what soever. To me a serious
artist means just that, someone who is serious. Sorry no implied
implications there. Just a literal description of some one who is
very serious about their work, passion what ever it is that they do.
if weird al serious about what he does? george carlin? i'd say yes.
people can be serious about being not serious. (huh?)
Should we be like the uber PC crowd and come up with another term
because "serious artist" can be misconstrued in so many different
ways. So many different points of reference? To me it is not a
judge-mental term imposing my opinions upon the label/moniker.
I think there is a huge difference in regards to what motivates
Paris Hilton, and what motivates someone like Pablo Picasso, or
better yet my dad for example, an average Joe who learned the trade
of furniture making more then 50+ years ago. Who takes pride in
every facet of what he does, strives to learn something new every
day. Refines a process or invents a new one always driven by the
passion he has for what he does. Why does someone like this never
stop working? Why would someone like this use their spare time to
do the same thing they do at work every day?
What about Frank Loyd Wright, who spent a lifetime exploring the
possibilities of the aesthetic of design and architecture, why do
people like this achieve so much? because they are not serious?
What about the shmo at a local architecture firm who never
considers his profession out side of work, and cranks out the same
uninspired drivel his whole life because it is only a job to him.
A means to an end. Someone who just does not have the fortitude to
apply himself, to learn, to enrich. Should these two individuals be
considered equal as artist's? Is it pompous to label them? How
does one differentiate between the two in regards to substance?
i think the last two paragraphs contradict each other. i agree with
the example of your dad, but how is this different than the judgement
you are passing on your imaginary architect? how can you know what
motivates this man or woman? maybe they have grander aspirations
than their work or the circumstances of their lives will allow them?
Maybe i romanticize what an artist is or what it should be. I do
know that the creative people i have known, who are passionate,
driven, "Serious" about what they do, always move forward and
better themselves. A lot of people on this list have been doing
what they do for many years because of how they feel about their
"art". A label is only as valid as the definition placed upon it,
again i guess its a point of reference thing.
Is art dead? Has it always been dead? I see individuals on this
list label what is art and what is not art. Your opinion differs
from mine? Well too bad your wrong, im right. Is a commercial
Designer always a hipster?
arial is the new helvetica.
No respect for problem solving? Intelligent design? Ugh just an
example. I know that i am guilty of this to some extent as well,
and it is almost impossible not to do so when you are discussing
art and its endless philosophical facets, i just find it very
disappointing when i hear fellow artist's. or anyone for the matter
take such a hard line in regards to anything creative.
people tend to forget dual meaning of 'playing' music. at its root is
the word 'play.' i always remind myself of that every time i feel
like i'm drifting off course. there is no denying that one can be
serious about 'playing,' serious about having fun, serious about
making people happy. i take that pretty seriously, otherwise what
else is there?
In the end though i think the conversations/exchange of ideas that
go down on this list are of a very positive nature. Its when
people get angry or intense on this list that things truly
interesting.
I guess i should get back to work eh?
Cheers
aLEKs
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: microsound-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
For additional commands, e-mail: microsound-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
website: http://www.microsound.org