Re: [microsound] gilding frames

[Stephen Hastings-King <roachboy@xxxxxxxxx>]

wow.  zippy.

i am baffled by much of this exchange on the question of the role of
philosophy or theory in helping people who are concerned about such matters
to work out something of the relationship between themselves, their
practices and broader social-historical contexts.
most factors that impact upon how we do things are not transparent to us: we
perform them.
the relationship between the social fabrication of the psyche and the
ideological frameworks within which this fabrication happens means that
ideological assumptions/modes of thinking are parts of who we are, how we
are and what we do.
there is no way of thinking about how formations like the ego happen tht
does not involve at one level or another the question of socialization, and
no question about socialization is not also a question about ideology.
this seems simply the fact of the matter and does not require any particular
reference to marx or anyone else to arrive at.

perhaps the interest in such matters can be reduced to a question of
temperment, i dont know.
i like to think of experimental music as involving something more than
making sounds that would alienate your parents.
i like to think of it as a spce for different types of conceptual action,
even as the medium is not representational and so the actions tend to blur
into the outputs.
questions about how your particular frame of ideological (cultural--there's
no real difference between the term, except that culture is also an
ideological category, so is less general) impact upon your practices seem to
me a way to work toward a certain degree of autonomy---which is not abot
transcending those frames, but rather about working in a self-consicous
relation to them.
this seems to me a fairly basic set of questions that have to do with any
type of cultural production that is not geared toward repetition.
of course, repetition can be fun and profitable, but it is what it is.

whether and how you link such matters to wider political phenomena seems to
me to turn on the political assumptions that you use to pose this order of
question about your own practices.  these political correlates can run in
any number of directions and provide sometimes more and sometimes less
useful ways to situate what you are really asking about.  but they are not
the same as what is being asked about, which (again) has to do with the
interaction between how and what you do and the wider social environments
within which you operate.

so i dont understand the objection to this order of question at all.
if the snippiness level can be dissipated a bit, would someone care to
explain to me why and how attempts to introduce different levels of
self-consciousness or autonomy into one's work with sound is a problem?
what do you prefer as an alternative?

stephen



On 10/2/06, David Geraghty <dbgeraghty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> hey, fanboy...
>
> great email! you really told him! not at all dragging
> out this pointless bullshit.
>
> funny too!
>
> -d
>
>
> --- Kim Cascone <kim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > > Appears to be the only framework you're interested
> > in.
> > ah but it seems that you are sampling from a short
> > period of
> > time...if you were to have read all my posts since
> > 1999 you'd see
> > this is not the case...your data gathering is not
> > statistically
> > correct hence your conclusion is flawed...maybe you
> > should read some
> > of my work and see if you still feel the same
> > way...I believe it is
> > all available on the microsound Wiki site somewhere
> > :)
> >
> >
> > > Based on the find command.. I see that Deleuze is
> > mentioned a fraction
> > > of the number of times that Marx is mentioned.
> > again, your statistics and analysis are
> > questionable...was your data
> > sampling from one email? two emails, a week, a
> > month, a years worth
> > of posts? what sampling timeframe do you base your
> > analysis on?
> >
> > besides, I think you'll find most of the instances
> > of the word
> > 'marx*' (i.e., marxism, marxist, marxian, etc) are
> > probably not from
> > me...since it seems to me that others tend to get
> > their knickers in a
> > twist over all this...e.g., for example in this
> > particular digest it
> > seems you have used the word quite frequently while
> > I have not...
> >
> >
> > > Also I think Deleuze
> > > simply does not carry the same baggage that Marx
> > does.
> > only in the USA...in other places in the world Marx
> > travels much more
> > lightly in terms of baggage! ;)
> >
> > carry on comrade
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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