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Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple



Is there any recordings of these computes being smashed?  Anything?


 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aleks vasic" <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:06:51 -0500
> 
> 
> You are a crass individual.  His rationale is logical and i do not 
> see  how it can be misconstrued as overbearing, just the opposite 
> actually.   You need to relax and stop being so defensive.  If 
> everyone was to act  as you do this list would be one giant flame 
> war.  What are you even  being defensive about?  I am honestly 
> having a hard time deciphering  your response?  His first response 
> was a very logical and well thought  out observation.
> 
> Have some respect...
> 
> aLEKs
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > oh shut up and put a sock in it no one here wants to hear your 
> > upper  class white bread mombo jumbo!!! pretentious twit!
> > its so simple to speak from the ivory tower hidding behind your 
> > white  academic elephant... try getting into the thick of it knee 
> > deep in  tear gas, police sticks and rubber bullets then come 
> > talk to me!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
> >
> >> it drastically oversimplifies the situation which makes it at 
> >> best  misguided.
> >>
> >> Neil Wiernik <neil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> its not a wierd rant at all...
> >> its basic look in your own trash can before complaining about others
> >> trash...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
> >>
> >>> what a strange rant...
> >>>
> >>> yes, every environmentalist struggles with the contradictions 
> >>> of  being "in the world" when it comes to effective activism 
> >>> and they  make thier peace with the compromises they know they 
> >>> will have to  make somewhere around thier sophmore year at 
> >>> college. yes, they will  probably have to use cars, yes they 
> >>> will have to live in buildings  made with wood, yes they will 
> >>> use electricity and do thier work with  wasteful and toxic 
> >>> technology...if they choose to stay engaged with  society in 
> >>> order to help change it yes. this is a realists approach.  will 
> >>> they minimize all this...most likely, as best thay can.
> >>>
> >>> i suppose greenpeace could eschew all the tools of the modern 
> >>> world  and try to communicate the information they have and 
> >>> coordinate  thier campaigns from a computerless shack in the 
> >>> woods in order to  meet your peerless standards for acceptable 
> >>> activism, but we all  know how well that turned out for the 
> >>> unabomber and all concerned.
> >>>
> >>> this campaign is an unusually refreshing for the effective way 
> >>> it  calls attention to the problem of toxic waste from 
> >>> computers in  general. targeting the company with the most 
> >>> eco-friendly public  image that it doesnt live up to, seems an 
> >>> effective way to  accomplish that goal. at least it is done 
> >>> with good-humour and stays  focused on the problem, or do you 
> >>> prefer the kaczynski method?
> >>>
> >>> xe
> >>>
> >>> Neil Wiernik wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> the larger question is does green peace use computers at all as if  they do
> >>> they to are part of the problem and not the solution if they want to  spin
> >>> things that way any how...
> >>> why dont they look at how computers as a whole work for them...
> >>> rather then against..
> >>> Im sure they use a fine number of IBM products and we all know who  IBM
> >>> helped in world war 2... i think rather then talkign like they are  holier
> >>> then now they need to look in thier own back yards.. I mean what  powers
> >>> thier boats GAS who makes the GAS...
> >>> I am a political person but when grassroot organisations dont take  the
> >>> time to look in their own back yard before pointing fingers it  pisses me
> >>> off!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Steffan De Turck wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> unfortunately Greenpeace is more about demonizing
> >>>> specific companies then making a POINT
> >>>>
> >>>> e.g. Shell instead of Exxon Mobile, BP, Q8, Texaco,
> >>>> Esso etc. etc. etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> and now Apple?...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> It seems a bit too trendy a campaign for me -- why
> >>>>> not talk about
> >>>>>> all PC manufacturers, the full scope of the
> >>>>> problem, and work for
> >>>>>> enacting national legislation following the
> >>>>> progressive European
> >>>>>> lead in this area? Targeting a single company
> >>>>> seems gratuitous...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Send instant messages to your online friends  
> >>>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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