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Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple
Is there any recordings of these computes being smashed? Anything?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aleks vasic" <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:06:51 -0500
>
>
> You are a crass individual. His rationale is logical and i do not
> see how it can be misconstrued as overbearing, just the opposite
> actually. You need to relax and stop being so defensive. If
> everyone was to act as you do this list would be one giant flame
> war. What are you even being defensive about? I am honestly
> having a hard time deciphering your response? His first response
> was a very logical and well thought out observation.
>
> Have some respect...
>
> aLEKs
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > oh shut up and put a sock in it no one here wants to hear your
> > upper class white bread mombo jumbo!!! pretentious twit!
> > its so simple to speak from the ivory tower hidding behind your
> > white academic elephant... try getting into the thick of it knee
> > deep in tear gas, police sticks and rubber bullets then come
> > talk to me!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
> >
> >> it drastically oversimplifies the situation which makes it at
> >> best misguided.
> >>
> >> Neil Wiernik <neil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> its not a wierd rant at all...
> >> its basic look in your own trash can before complaining about others
> >> trash...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
> >>
> >>> what a strange rant...
> >>>
> >>> yes, every environmentalist struggles with the contradictions
> >>> of being "in the world" when it comes to effective activism
> >>> and they make thier peace with the compromises they know they
> >>> will have to make somewhere around thier sophmore year at
> >>> college. yes, they will probably have to use cars, yes they
> >>> will have to live in buildings made with wood, yes they will
> >>> use electricity and do thier work with wasteful and toxic
> >>> technology...if they choose to stay engaged with society in
> >>> order to help change it yes. this is a realists approach. will
> >>> they minimize all this...most likely, as best thay can.
> >>>
> >>> i suppose greenpeace could eschew all the tools of the modern
> >>> world and try to communicate the information they have and
> >>> coordinate thier campaigns from a computerless shack in the
> >>> woods in order to meet your peerless standards for acceptable
> >>> activism, but we all know how well that turned out for the
> >>> unabomber and all concerned.
> >>>
> >>> this campaign is an unusually refreshing for the effective way
> >>> it calls attention to the problem of toxic waste from
> >>> computers in general. targeting the company with the most
> >>> eco-friendly public image that it doesnt live up to, seems an
> >>> effective way to accomplish that goal. at least it is done
> >>> with good-humour and stays focused on the problem, or do you
> >>> prefer the kaczynski method?
> >>>
> >>> xe
> >>>
> >>> Neil Wiernik wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> the larger question is does green peace use computers at all as if they do
> >>> they to are part of the problem and not the solution if they want to spin
> >>> things that way any how...
> >>> why dont they look at how computers as a whole work for them...
> >>> rather then against..
> >>> Im sure they use a fine number of IBM products and we all know who IBM
> >>> helped in world war 2... i think rather then talkign like they are holier
> >>> then now they need to look in thier own back yards.. I mean what powers
> >>> thier boats GAS who makes the GAS...
> >>> I am a political person but when grassroot organisations dont take the
> >>> time to look in their own back yard before pointing fingers it pisses me
> >>> off!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Steffan De Turck wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> unfortunately Greenpeace is more about demonizing
> >>>> specific companies then making a POINT
> >>>>
> >>>> e.g. Shell instead of Exxon Mobile, BP, Q8, Texaco,
> >>>> Esso etc. etc. etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> and now Apple?...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> It seems a bit too trendy a campaign for me -- why
> >>>>> not talk about
> >>>>>> all PC manufacturers, the full scope of the
> >>>>> problem, and work for
> >>>>>> enacting national legislation following the
> >>>>> progressive European
> >>>>>> lead in this area? Targeting a single company
> >>>>> seems gratuitous...
> >>>>
> >>>>
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