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Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple

To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple
From: Derek Mason <derek.mason@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:13:48 -0500
Will you two go and drink more Egg Nog and be merry.

Create a Rant-n-Rave list and go at it.  





> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil Wiernik" <neil@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:11:01 -0500 (EST)
> 
> 
> 
> my point is that you argue things in excess, you fight other 
> peoples battels for them and more over just like to hear your voice 
> speak and for what NO REASON that I can see!!! jesus!!!!!!
> 
> regarding your short sighted comment about ibm is that your sitting 
> here and dissing apple when 99.9999999999999999 percent of all 
> things produced for consumer wants/needs are opressing someone some 
> where so like I said put a sock in it, no one really wants to hear 
> your whining its a known fact that we all know adn live with... if 
> you want to be perfect go live in a cave in the mountains and eat 
> dirt and run around naked but even tehn youll opress come thing 
> like the tiny bugs and bacteria youll kill when eating the dirt and 
> the grass youll sept on running around naked
> not to mention the sexual abuse youll enforce on the poor animals 
> as they are forced to watch you running naked through the mountains 
> ... thats just terrable I think we should censor every thing as 
> evil as its the only way we can live clean no opressive lives!!!
> (if you take this reply as serious dont even bother)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, aleks vasic wrote:
> 
> > In regards to flame wars, your the only one that seems to respond 
> > with anger and spite when someone offers a differing opinion.  
> > Reread the thread, your the only one that insults anyone.
> >
> > IBM developed technology for the Nazis, as did many corporations 
> > that are still around today.  I still do not see how Greenpeace 
> > has anything to do with IBM and the Holocaust.  How do you know 
> > what types of computers Greenpeace uses?  Gimme some point of 
> > reference.  And if they do use technology that was developed 
> > decades after WWII what does it matter?  Does that undo the good 
> > that they do?  Do you suggest that they cease to exist because of 
> > IBM checkered past via WWII, developing technology that is not 
> > even in use today for the most part?  Should use apple/mac who 
> > uses impoverished asian work forces to assemble their 
> > uber/expensive sheik design friendly computers?
> >
> > aLEKs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> no Im saying that greenpeace if not using a mac most likely in 
> >> some form or manner uses IBM products which IMHO as a company 
> >> are far more worse then apple ever will be in that IBM supported 
> >> and built technology for the nazi's in world war 2. sp the 
> >> technology that navigates thier ships or Im sure the laptops 
> >> they use are ibms if not apples machines also... so before they 
> >> stick thier foot deeper into their moths they should stop and 
> >> think is what Im sayign get it now????
> >>
> >> you keep telling me offenxe and that your not being 
> >> condescending but you and the other person what ever his name is 
> >> are and mor eover you say how much you hate flame wars but both 
> >> times I have posted recently it has been you that manages to 
> >> create a flame war, by your stuborn arguments... your entitled 
> >> to your opinion just like I am leave it at that !!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, aleks vasic wrote:
> >>
> >>> I do not see how his response was condescending.  It was a 
> >>> response to your claim that Greenpeace is hypocritical with 
> >>> their ideology.  Which i also agree is a rather weak argument 
> >>> on your part, no offense intended. Green peace cannot be 
> >>> compared to IBM.  IBM's sole motivator is profits. Where Green 
> >>> Peace ideology is global conservation.  All of their resources 
> >>> go toward raising awareness in regards to mans inability to 
> >>> live in balance with his environment.  Sure they need modern 
> >>> technology in order to operate with any sort of effective 
> >>> impact.  They do so with a lot of foresight.  Are they perfect? 
> >>>  No, nothing is perfect really in this world, but to claim that 
> >>> they are no different then mega corporations, or entities 
> >>> driven solely by profits is misguided.
> >>>
> >>> It is true that everyone is entitled to an opinion.  What 
> >>> predicates a solid opinion is that it is well thought out as 
> >>> well as being based with a solid point of reference, i.e. facts.
> >>>
> >>> Again no offense intended.
> >>>
> >>> aLEKs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> his responce was extreemly condisending...
> >>>> towards me and towards any one else that might think 
> >>>> diffeently then he does...
> >>>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, aleks vasic wrote:
> >>>>> You are a crass individual.  His rationale is logical and i 
> >>>>> do not see how it can be misconstrued as overbearing, just 
> >>>>> the opposite actually. You need to relax and stop being so 
> >>>>> defensive.  If everyone was to act as you do this list would 
> >>>>> be one giant flame war.  What are you even being defensive 
> >>>>> about? I am honestly having a hard time deciphering your 
> >>>>> response?  His first response was a very logical and well 
> >>>>> thought out observation.
> >>>>> Have some respect...
> >>>>> aLEKs
> >>>>> On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
> >>>>>> oh shut up and put a sock in it no one here wants to hear 
> >>>>>> your upper class white bread mombo jumbo!!! pretentious twit!
> >>>>>> its so simple to speak from the ivory tower hidding behind 
> >>>>>> your white academic elephant... try getting into the thick 
> >>>>>> of it knee deep in tear gas, police sticks and rubber 
> >>>>>> bullets then come talk to me!
> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
> >>>>>>> it drastically oversimplifies the situation which makes it 
> >>>>>>> at best misguided.
> >>>>>>> Neil Wiernik <neil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>> its not a wierd rant at all...
> >>>>>>> its basic look in your own trash can before complaining about others
> >>>>>>> trash...
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
> >>>>>>>> what a strange rant...
> >>>>>>>> yes, every environmentalist struggles with the 
> >>>>>>>> contradictions of being "in the world" when it comes to 
> >>>>>>>> effective activism and they make thier peace with the 
> >>>>>>>> compromises they know they will have to make somewhere 
> >>>>>>>> around thier sophmore year at college. yes, they will 
> >>>>>>>> probably have to use cars, yes they will have to live in 
> >>>>>>>> buildings made with wood, yes they will use electricity 
> >>>>>>>> and do thier work with wasteful and toxic technology...if 
> >>>>>>>> they choose to stay engaged with society in order to help 
> >>>>>>>> change it yes. this is a realists approach. will they 
> >>>>>>>> minimize all this...most likely, as best thay can.
> >>>>>>>> i suppose greenpeace could eschew all the tools of the 
> >>>>>>>> modern world and try to communicate the information they 
> >>>>>>>> have and coordinate thier campaigns from a computerless 
> >>>>>>>> shack in the woods in order to meet your peerless 
> >>>>>>>> standards for acceptable activism, but we all know how 
> >>>>>>>> well that turned out for the unabomber and all concerned.
> >>>>>>>> this campaign is an unusually refreshing for the effective 
> >>>>>>>> way it calls attention to the problem of toxic waste from 
> >>>>>>>> computers in general. targeting the company with the most 
> >>>>>>>> eco-friendly public image that it doesnt live up to, seems 
> >>>>>>>> an effective way to accomplish that goal. at least it is 
> >>>>>>>> done with good-humour and stays focused on the problem, or 
> >>>>>>>> do you prefer the kaczynski method?
> >>>>>>>> xe
> >>>>>>>> Neil Wiernik wrote:
> >>>>>>>> the larger question is does green peace use computers at 
> >>>>>>>> all as if they do
> >>>>>>>> they to are part of the problem and not the solution if 
> >>>>>>>> they want to spin
> >>>>>>>> things that way any how...
> >>>>>>>> why dont they look at how computers as a whole work for them...
> >>>>>>>> rather then against..
> >>>>>>>> Im sure they use a fine number of IBM products and we all know who IBM
> >>>>>>>> helped in world war 2... i think rather then talkign like 
> >>>>>>>> they are holier
> >>>>>>>> then now they need to look in thier own back yards.. I 
> >>>>>>>> mean what powers
> >>>>>>>> thier boats GAS who makes the GAS...
> >>>>>>>> I am a political person but when grassroot organisations dont take the
> >>>>>>>> time to look in their own back yard before pointing 
> >>>>>>>> fingers it pisses me
> >>>>>>>> off!!!
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Steffan De Turck wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> unfortunately Greenpeace is more about demonizing
> >>>>>>>>> specific companies then making a POINT
> >>>>>>>>> e.g. Shell instead of Exxon Mobile, BP, Q8, Texaco,
> >>>>>>>>> Esso etc. etc. etc.
> >>>>>>>>> and now Apple?...
> >>>>>>>>>>> It seems a bit too trendy a campaign for me -- why
> >>>>>>>>>> not talk about
> >>>>>>>>>>> all PC manufacturers, the full scope of the
> >>>>>>>>>> problem, and work for
> >>>>>>>>>>> enacting national legislation following the
> >>>>>>>>>> progressive European
> >>>>>>>>>>> lead in this area? Targeting a single company
> >>>>>>>>>> seems gratuitous...
> >>>>>>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends 
> >>>>>>>>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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