Re: [microsound] soundtrack for apocalyptic annihilation

[jeff gburek <tsazmaniac@xxxxxxxxx>]

i dont think you need to be an academic to read books.

the wikipedia gives you biblographies for these guys. 

the book kim probably refers to was published in the
eighties in english translation and is called "the
writing of the disaster". another title by him that i
think also may be useful for thinking through
eros/thanatos is called "the gaze of orpheus" in
english.

there is no safe road into benjamin. that is what
makes him interesting!

freud didnt just pull a rabbit out of his hat with
eros/thanatos. it is a long tradition.

i think you could get as much mileage and information
about life just by reading ovid's metamorphoses

jg

 

--- Tim Mortimer <timmortimer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> I only skim this list these days, & i missed how
> this thread started, but it
> looks interesting.
> 
> who wrote originally about this eros/thanathos
> stuff? was it Baudrillard or
> somebody? (i'm not an academic...)
> 
> benjamin & blanchot now sound interesting too... any
> chance of a selected
> bibliography on some of this?
> 
> 
> jeff gburek wrote:
> > 
> > or
> > --- Kim Cascone <kim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:00 PM, somebody wrote:
> >> 
> >> > isn't it
> >> > that we find destruction beautiful because it
> IS
> >> destruction and what
> >> > we long for above all is apocalyptic
> annihilation?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I think this might also be the desire to dissolve
> >> the ego in an 'other'
> >> i.e.: eros/thanatos
> >> to enter a state of eternal non-being by being
> >> absorbed into  
> >> something greater
> >> and sometimes this occurs as a destructive or
> >> violent process
> >> example: the armageddon/apocalyptic annihilation
> >> desired by the neo- 
> >> con/christian right in the US
> > 
> > or the desires of its so-called enemy (necessary
> > rival) on the fanatical verso/recto
> > 
> > one thing differs with eros: the erotic can give
> rise
> > to care and preservation
> > 
> > this we can figure out once we know that the
> orgasm is
> > not the end of the world
> > 
> > but another desire lays hidden in the apocalyptic,
> not
> > not only by what benjamin described as the
> messianic
> > impulse that in the early benjamin at least he
> tries
> > to link to revolutionary upheaval: once the
> apocaplyse
> > is "finished" (it never it unfortunately)
> > 
> > you can start with "tabula rasa"
> > 
> > but this is also illusory
> > 
> > blanchot wanted to say "the disaster takes care of
> > everything" but it doesnt really. the disaster
> > eliminates certain obstacles, inhibitions,
> opressions
> > and repressions, temporarily.
> > 
> > living in berlin one sees reminders of what kind
> of
> > destruction took place at the end of wwII and it
> is
> > hard to imagine that destruction itself--the kind
> > brought about by war--is beautiful. but in ruins i
> > find beauty. why? maybe because in them we see
> that
> > the disaster is behind us? because what is
> displaced
> > by the destruction reveals a space of another
> > possibility? or like with the "unfinished"
> sculpture
> > or painting, it inspires the imagination by its
> > incompleteness?
> > 
> > the last thought: 
> > because structural elements are laid bare and this
> > gives us our own ability to see how to build?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > j.ff gbk
> > 
> > http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound
> > 
> > http://www.idiosyncratics.net/netlabel.html
> > 
> > http://www.djalma.com
> > 
> > http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html
> > 
> > 
> >      
> >
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http://www.idiosyncratics.net/netlabel.html

http://www.djalma.com

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