Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe

[Robert Lewis <ionizing@xxxxxxxxx>]

Bard I like your vision for the evolution of the piece.  This sounds
interesting, I would gladly contribute samples.

As far as the samples library:  Could have a revolving sample collection
where there is a large cap on the total number of samples (say 100, or some
other arbitrary number) and when the cap is reached, if someone adds a new
sample to the library it discards the oldest sample that was in the
library.  That way it could be continuously contributed to, yet the total
number of samples remains the same (i.e. conserved, which fits into the
theme of the piece as well, i.e. the principle of energy conservation.)
There could simply be an upload form on the webpage of the piece, and the
process is automated once someone uploads a sample that fits the criteria
for samples.  Just a suggestion.

-robert

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Michael Palace <palace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> We have some code that does something similiar.
>
> It basically harvests a bunch of sounds from existing directories, creates
> new patterns that change sample start, sample length, pans and pitches the
> samples with some simple stochastic models. Though the code only works for
> a
> brief period (1 -3 minutes) it could potentially be made to stream.  Also
> all state variables are recorded as a simple text file, essentially
> allowing
> the user to go back in time and recreate the soundscape for a time period.
>
> This was a prototype for grant proposal we submitted to the Langolais
> Foundation, which we did not get.
>
> The prototype is down currently, but I can put it back up.  It is
> programmed
> in Octave.
>
> http://www.zero1media.com/10010010/
>
> One the page v1.1 is a little series of songs we created.
>
> More recent examples can be found at http://www.rpmchallenge.com/jukebox/
> and look under 10010010
>
> I only post these as examples and not as a promotion or release
> information.
>
> I suggest that we collect lots of samples from the microsound community
> and
> use these to make a continuous sound project.  Just a thought.
>
> Mike Palace
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bård Harazi Farbu" <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe
>
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > Thanks for the in depth response.
> >
> > My fascination for the science in this theory is based more on an
> > philosophical level, rather than an scientific. (I´m not equipped  with
> a
> > deep knowledge of the subject.)
> >
> > Like the universe is presented in many of the early religions of the
> > world, the theory presented describes a continuous creation, evolving
> > time, period of chaos, and destruction. This mechanism fascinates me.
>  An
> > idea for a project would be something like an webbased application
> > playing the piece 24/7. The application would be able to make small
> > alternations to the piece during the creation and evolving part  (since
> no
> > universe is the same), then (the best part) a completely  random state,
> > then a reverse version of the first part - and finally  beginning again
> > with a slightly different piece/universe.
> >
> > A workflow could be to first gather samples. Then finding a way of
>  either
> > arranging them in an ever-alternating sequence with the help  of dsp. So
> I
> > guess one would need an web-based instrument with  preloaded samples one
> > could use to mimmic the mechanism. The project  would then need someone
> to
> > program the instrument (don´t even now if  it´s possible - it should be
> > cross-platform application - which one  would only need an web-browser
> to
> > use.)
> >
> > hmmmm
> >
> > any thoughts?
> >
> > bård
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Robert Lewis wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As an ex-astrophysicist/cosmologist, I wanted to add that there are
>  also
> >> other cosmological theories which have as a feature an essentially
> >> infinite,
> >> cyclic model of energy transfer, leaving out the question of how it
>  all
> >> started, because in essence it has always been.  Also, the Big Bang  is
> >> not
> >> as proven as the mainstream would want people to believe (in fact is
> >> dis-proven, even Hubble himself was against it his whole life,
>  "Hubble's
> >> Law" was someone else's interpretation of his empirical finding,  not
> his
> >> own
> >> interpretation.)  I studied plasma cosmology which is based more on
> >> electromagnetism and process philosophy paradigm, as opposed to the
>  big
> >> bang
> >> which is based on gravity and the object oriented paradigm.  In plasma
> >> cosmology there is no need for dark matter, dark energy, or big  bangs:
> >> the
> >> dynamics of the universe are explained by taking into account the
> >> electromagnetic forces present at the large scale within the plasma
> >> present
> >> in the universe at all scales.  Also in this model, time just runs, it
> >> doesn't run backwards ever, no need for such ideas.  This doesn't  mean
> >> that
> >> cyclic process is impossible, in fact oscillation is a very natural
> >> process
> >> in a universe that only runs forward (the direction of time is
>  arbitrary
> >> in
> >> this sense.)  To this day there is an ongoing battle between the
> >> 'relativists' and the 'Maxwellians'; i.e. between the gravity, object
> >> oriented paradigm, and the electromagnetic, process oriented paradigm.
> >>
> >> Anyhow, I think it would be fun to base a microsound project on  these
> >> ideas
> >> somehow, as you suggested.  It ties into the ideas of discrete versus
> >> continuum as well.  Well, I'll leave it at that.  There is this  whole
> pi
> >> thing that I haven't even started on yet...
> >>
> >> -robert
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bård Harazi Farbu  <
> bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Read this in Wired today:
> >>>
> >>>        According to Turok, who teaches at Cambridge University,  the
> Big
> >>> Bang represents just one stage in an infinitely repeated cycle of
> >>> universal expansion and                 contraction. Turok  theorizes
> >>> that
> >>> neither
> >>> time nor the universe has a beginning or end.
> >>>
> >>>        "Imagine you have a room full of air, with all these molecules
> >>> banging around. The vast majority of time, these molecules spread
> >>> uniformly -- but once in a trillion     trillion years, they all  end
> up
> >>> in the corner of the room. If you look at the room and run the clock
> >>> forward, they'll eventually make themselves uniform: But it would
> >>> reverse, and you'd watch them flying into the corner. Then they'd fly
> >>> out again.
> >>>
> >>>        If this is right, it means that time runs forward for a  while.
> >>> Then
> >>> there's a random state without an arrow of time, then time runs
> >>> backwards, and then time runs forward   again. That's the bigger
> >>> picture: We're still very far away from understanding it, but that
> >>> would be my bet. "
> >>>
> >>>        In our picture, there was a universe before the Big Bang,  very
> >>> much
> >>> like our universe today: a low density of matter and some stuff
> >>> called dark energy. If you              postulate a universe like
>  this,
> >>> but the
> >>> dark energy within is actually unstable, then the decay of this dark
> >>> energy drives the two branes together. These two branes          clash
> >>> and
> >>> then, having filled with radiation, separate and expand to form
> >>> galaxies and stars.
> >>>
> >>>        Then the dark energy takes over again. It's the energy of
> >>> attraction
> >>> between the two branes: It pulls them back together. You have bang
> >>> followed by bang followed by    bang. You have no beginning of time.
> >>> It's always been there.
> >>>
> >>>        http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/qa_turok
> >>>
> >>> Would't it be neat with a microsoundpiece modeling the beginning-less
> >>> and never-ending universe presented in this theory?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>>
> >>> Bård Farbu
> >>>
> >>> @:              bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> www:    bardfarbu.com
> >>>
> >>> netrelease 25 januar på; http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/
> >>> index.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > mvh,
> >
> > Bård Farbu
> >
> > @: bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> > www: bardfarbu.com
> >
> > netrelease 25 januar på; http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
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