Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe

[baard harazi farbu <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Robert

Yes a great idea. If it's programmable I see no reason not to implement it.

bård


On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Robert Lewis <ionizing@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Bard I like your vision for the evolution of the piece.  This sounds
> interesting, I would gladly contribute samples.
>
> As far as the samples library:  Could have a revolving sample collection
> where there is a large cap on the total number of samples (say 100, or
> some
> other arbitrary number) and when the cap is reached, if someone adds a new
> sample to the library it discards the oldest sample that was in the
> library.  That way it could be continuously contributed to, yet the total
> number of samples remains the same (i.e. conserved, which fits into the
> theme of the piece as well, i.e. the principle of energy conservation.)
> There could simply be an upload form on the webpage of the piece, and the
> process is automated once someone uploads a sample that fits the criteria
> for samples.  Just a suggestion.
>
> -robert
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Michael Palace <palace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > We have some code that does something similiar.
> >
> > It basically harvests a bunch of sounds from existing directories,
> creates
> > new patterns that change sample start, sample length, pans and pitches
> the
> > samples with some simple stochastic models. Though the code only works
> for
> > a
> > brief period (1 -3 minutes) it could potentially be made to stream.
>  Also
> > all state variables are recorded as a simple text file, essentially
> > allowing
> > the user to go back in time and recreate the soundscape for a time
> period.
> >
> > This was a prototype for grant proposal we submitted to the Langolais
> > Foundation, which we did not get.
> >
> > The prototype is down currently, but I can put it back up.  It is
> > programmed
> > in Octave.
> >
> > http://www.zero1media.com/10010010/
> >
> > One the page v1.1 is a little series of songs we created.
> >
> > More recent examples can be found at
> http://www.rpmchallenge.com/jukebox/
> > and look under 10010010
> >
> > I only post these as examples and not as a promotion or release
> > information.
> >
> > I suggest that we collect lots of samples from the microsound community
> > and
> > use these to make a continuous sound project.  Just a thought.
> >
> > Mike Palace
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bård Harazi Farbu" <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe
> >
> >
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the in depth response.
> > >
> > > My fascination for the science in this theory is based more on an
> > > philosophical level, rather than an scientific. (I´m not equipped
>  with
> > a
> > > deep knowledge of the subject.)
> > >
> > > Like the universe is presented in many of the early religions of the
> > > world, the theory presented describes a continuous creation, evolving
> > > time, period of chaos, and destruction. This mechanism fascinates me.
> >  An
> > > idea for a project would be something like an webbased application
> > > playing the piece 24/7. The application would be able to make small
> > > alternations to the piece during the creation and evolving part
>  (since
> > no
> > > universe is the same), then (the best part) a completely  random
> state,
> > > then a reverse version of the first part - and finally  beginning
> again
> > > with a slightly different piece/universe.
> > >
> > > A workflow could be to first gather samples. Then finding a way of
> >  either
> > > arranging them in an ever-alternating sequence with the help  of dsp.
> So
> > I
> > > guess one would need an web-based instrument with  preloaded samples
> one
> > > could use to mimmic the mechanism. The project  would then need
> someone
> > to
> > > program the instrument (don´t even now if  it´s possible - it should
> be
> > > cross-platform application - which one  would only need an web-browser
> > to
> > > use.)
> > >
> > > hmmmm
> > >
> > > any thoughts?
> > >
> > > bård
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> As an ex-astrophysicist/cosmologist, I wanted to add that there are
> >  also
> > >> other cosmological theories which have as a feature an essentially
> > >> infinite,
> > >> cyclic model of energy transfer, leaving out the question of how it
> >  all
> > >> started, because in essence it has always been.  Also, the Big Bang
>  is
> > >> not
> > >> as proven as the mainstream would want people to believe (in fact is
> > >> dis-proven, even Hubble himself was against it his whole life,
> >  "Hubble's
> > >> Law" was someone else's interpretation of his empirical finding,  not
> > his
> > >> own
> > >> interpretation.)  I studied plasma cosmology which is based more on
> > >> electromagnetism and process philosophy paradigm, as opposed to the
> >  big
> > >> bang
> > >> which is based on gravity and the object oriented paradigm.  In
> plasma
> > >> cosmology there is no need for dark matter, dark energy, or big
>  bangs:
> > >> the
> > >> dynamics of the universe are explained by taking into account the
> > >> electromagnetic forces present at the large scale within the plasma
> > >> present
> > >> in the universe at all scales.  Also in this model, time just runs,
> it
> > >> doesn't run backwards ever, no need for such ideas.  This doesn't
>  mean
> > >> that
> > >> cyclic process is impossible, in fact oscillation is a very natural
> > >> process
> > >> in a universe that only runs forward (the direction of time is
> >  arbitrary
> > >> in
> > >> this sense.)  To this day there is an ongoing battle between the
> > >> 'relativists' and the 'Maxwellians'; i.e. between the gravity, object
> > >> oriented paradigm, and the electromagnetic, process oriented
> paradigm.
> > >>
> > >> Anyhow, I think it would be fun to base a microsound project on
>  these
> > >> ideas
> > >> somehow, as you suggested.  It ties into the ideas of discrete versus
> > >> continuum as well.  Well, I'll leave it at that.  There is this
>  whole
> > pi
> > >> thing that I haven't even started on yet...
> > >>
> > >> -robert
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bård Harazi Farbu  <
> > bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all
> > >>>
> > >>> Read this in Wired today:
> > >>>
> > >>>        According to Turok, who teaches at Cambridge University,  the
> > Big
> > >>> Bang represents just one stage in an infinitely repeated cycle of
> > >>> universal expansion and                 contraction. Turok
>  theorizes
> > >>> that
> > >>> neither
> > >>> time nor the universe has a beginning or end.
> > >>>
> > >>>        "Imagine you have a room full of air, with all these
> molecules
> > >>> banging around. The vast majority of time, these molecules spread
> > >>> uniformly -- but once in a trillion     trillion years, they all
>  end
> > up
> > >>> in the corner of the room. If you look at the room and run the clock
> > >>> forward, they'll eventually make themselves uniform: But it would
> > >>> reverse, and you'd watch them flying into the corner. Then they'd
> fly
> > >>> out again.
> > >>>
> > >>>        If this is right, it means that time runs forward for a
>  while.
> > >>> Then
> > >>> there's a random state without an arrow of time, then time runs
> > >>> backwards, and then time runs forward   again. That's the bigger
> > >>> picture: We're still very far away from understanding it, but that
> > >>> would be my bet. "
> > >>>
> > >>>        In our picture, there was a universe before the Big Bang,
>  very
> > >>> much
> > >>> like our universe today: a low density of matter and some stuff
> > >>> called dark energy. If you              postulate a universe like
> >  this,
> > >>> but the
> > >>> dark energy within is actually unstable, then the decay of this dark
> > >>> energy drives the two branes together. These two branes
>  clash
> > >>> and
> > >>> then, having filled with radiation, separate and expand to form
> > >>> galaxies and stars.
> > >>>
> > >>>        Then the dark energy takes over again. It's the energy of
> > >>> attraction
> > >>> between the two branes: It pulls them back together. You have bang
> > >>> followed by bang followed by    bang. You have no beginning of time.
> > >>> It's always been there.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/qa_turok
> > >>>
> > >>> Would't it be neat with a microsoundpiece modeling the
> beginning-less
> > >>> and never-ending universe presented in this theory?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Bård Farbu
> > >>>
> > >>> @:              bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> > >>> www:    bardfarbu.com
> > >>>
> > >>> netrelease 25 januar på; http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/
> > >>> index.htm
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > > mvh,
> > >
> > > Bård Farbu
> > >
> > > @: bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> > > www: bardfarbu.com
> > >
> > > netrelease 25 januar på;
> http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/index.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
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