Re: [microsound] outsider artists

[J m <vertgrall@xxxxxxxxx>]

Wesley Willis was mentally ill.
  Long Live R.Stevie and Ariel Rosenberg(pink)

 On 5/27/05, aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> 
> And i was originally responding to your statement that captain
> Beefheart is commerrcially more successful then Wesley Willis, who i
> pointed out has a tour bus/management and had one point been signed by
> Rick Rubins, while Beefheart, who has a seriously well earned rep, had
> a reputation of poor record sales and financial pit falls.
> 
> Again i fail to see how his death changed any of those facts...
> 
> 
> aLEKs
> 
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> On May 27, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote:
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> > err...
> >
> > Wesley Willis is dead
> >
> > and saying that every song sounds the same is maybe missing the point
> > somewhat
> >
> > http://www.alternativetentacles.com/bandinfo.php?band=wesleywillis
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > On 27 May 2005, at 13:48, aleks vasic wrote:
> >
> >> Wesley Willis has a Rockstar tour bus. He commands a pretty high
> >> penny for his performances. I know as my friend is a promoter who
> >> has booked him three times. Besides demanding strange things like a
> >> gallon of soy milk along with a 12 pack of diet/sugarfree/caffiene
> >> free/ coke, he also demands quite a bit of money. He must be doing
> >> pretty well if he can pay the upkeep of that tour bus, or pay for its
> >> lease and fuel, whatever the case may be. Granted he has someone
> >> managing his tour and he would be incapable of organizing any of this
> >> himself, it still amazes me that he can generate such a turnout.
> >>
> >> He is also quite a gifted self taught artist. His pen and ink
> >> drawings of the chicago skyline are really nice. He sells these at
> >> most of his shows.
> >>
> >> Has anyone else seen Wesley Willis perform? Is it just me or does
> >> every song, musically, sound the same? Just a different set of
> >> lyrics for each song!?!
> >>
> >>
> >> aLEKs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 27, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is worth bearing in mind that Irwin has done a lot to promote and
> >>> disseminate the work of some of the most marginalised and off the
> >>> radar US musicians - Peter Grudzien, Judson Fountain and R. Stevie
> >>> Moore being good examples.
> >>>
> >>> point 2 is wrong - if you have read his book you will note that
> >>> while he drawn connections between Beefheart and Partch this is not
> >>> judgmental as regards quality of work. Outsider music is not a genre
> >>> but a concept for considering the output of an extremely diverse
> >>> group of musicians, some commercially successful (like Beefheart and
> >>> Syd Barrett) and others less so (Shooby Taylor, Wesley Willis).
> >>> Concepts of good, bad, better and worse tend to become meaningless
> >>> when discussing much of this music.
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 26 May 2005, at 19:22, jacob felix heule wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm not really into Irwin Chusid. Two reasons: (1) He looks at his
> >>>> subjects with mockery. He talks about Jandek, but only derides him
> >>>> for
> >>>> being the worst "musician" ever to attempt making a record. I don't
> >>>> think he sees anything in music like that other than a weird
> >>>> cultural
> >>>> phenomenon to archive, make fun of, and profit from. (2) He classes
> >>>> artists like Harry Partch and Captain Beefheart alongside artists
> >>>> like
> >>>> Wesley Willis and Shooby Taylor. There are major differences between
> >>>> these two groups, which I think should be clear to anyone here.
> >>>>
> >>>> jacob
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/25/05, ian stewart <artsonics@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> the intrepid diy-music preservationist, Irwin Chusid. He is also,
> >>>>> of course, the
> >>>>> author of Songs in the Key of Z: The Curious Universe of Outsider
> >>>>> Music
> >>>>> (2000, A Cappella Books).
> >>>> --
> >>>> http://heule.us
> >>>>
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