Re: [microsound] culture industrytraps/opposing commodification of experimental music

[phoenSND <phoenelai@xxxxxxxxx>]

For me personally, I have plenty of net label (free) releases
that I burn on CD and still listen to years later (and they play just fine).

I don't feel because the artist are on a real/physical media label
that it makes those producers any better. Granted, the person running
the physical label might be more selective due to budgets on what they
have the funds to release. I think podcasts are a great thing but I
understand
how that could be more temporary.

cheers!
phoen++



*I am still using downloads in the form of podcasting (audio and
video) to an ipod I listen to in the car etc. and I like the
temporary nature - most of the music released today (microsound or
not) do not have the qualities necessary for a permanent CD-release -
but as temporary part of a podcast flow they make more sense.*



On 3/11/06, j.kurtz <kurtz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> on the other hand you have to bother burning it on an unstable CDR.
> mark the CDR. and CDR:s dont look as good in the listening room as
> packaged CD:s.
>
> I did buy downloads but have now completely stopped. I only buy
> quality. real packaged CD:s.
>
> I am still using downloads in the form of podcasting (audio and
> video) to an ipod I listen to in the car etc. and I like the
> temporary nature - most of the music released today (microsound or
> not) do not have the qualities necessary for a permanent CD-release -
> but as temporary part of a podcast flow they make more sense.
>
>
>
>
>
> 10 mar 2006 kl. 14.09 skrev phoenSND:
>
> > I've recently been purchasing/downloads for Kim Cascone, Alva Noto,
> > 12K etc
> > on emusic.
> > If it's something I really want, I don't have a problem paying for
> > it. I
> > would love the packaging sure
> > but I end up getting more songs for the dollar when I dont have to
> > pay for
> > the packaging and shipping (and you
> > don't have to wait). I can see why this distribution is doing quite
> > well.
> >
> > cheers!
> >
> >
> > On 3/10/06, Revolution #9 <hendrix@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> as I already pointed out, there can be no major turn-arounds in
> >> culture
> >> perception until major turn around in global economic system....
> >> if culture industry is just one branch of world capitalist system,
> >> then
> >> action must be took towards the whole, not towards its one part...
> >>
> >> we all know or guess wrong and harmful influences of "mass
> >> culture", of
> >> its ideologies and its system of values, its ways of functioning...
> >> that's the reason why we are now on this list, although with various
> >> musical/cultural/political preferences...
> >>
> >> all we are (I am) saying is that all this "net" phenomenon: copyleft
> >> (against "copyright"), net labels, free downloads, new forms of
> >> distribution
> >> - are just potential markers of what is possible if once socio-
> >> economical
> >> base of world society is changed...
> >> this phenomenon brings new ways of approaching culture, of
> >> deliberating
> >> culture (music): its purpose and its role...
> >> it is powerful social declaration....as experimental music itself
> >> is -
> >> powerful, progressive social declaration that defies mystifications,
> >> simplifications and always is on a - search...
> >>
> >> I see this topic inseparably connected to the discussion that was
> >> led on
> >> last year's Erstquake 2 festival in NYC...
> >> there was a forum day where Keith Rowe, Jullien Ottavi and Dion
> >> Workman
> >> spoke about "new forms of distributing experimental music"...
> >> Ottavi himself is occupied with investigation of perception of a
> >> commodity
> >> which contains "experimental music" on it...
> >> like cd-media...I will supply links soon...
> >>
> >>
> >> it is pretty logic step forward for experimental music; on its way of
> >> subversion of common/traditional perception and experience of
> >> music - it
> >> came to this phase,
> >> which yet has to develop....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> d.
> >>
> >>
> >> p.s.
> >> one more time - www.mattin.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ===========================
> >>                 Die Kunst ist tot
> >> Es lebe die neue Maschinenkunst Tatlins
> >> ----------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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