RE: [microsound] Reverse Engineering Max/MSP Autechre (reaktor too)

[Eloy Anzola <eloy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi aLEKs,

I have no idea what motivated these particular folks to do build the
patches. You could visit the site and ask them.

I presume it is a combination of all that you state. They clearly are into
AE, so they are probably happy just to sound like AE.

That said, something I love about sound design is what happens when you
intruduce small but fundamental changes. These patches can be great starting
points.

Also, trying to figure out how something was done is almost always a
fantastic exercise. The question: How would I do that? usually leads to some
cool answers.
	-- granted, sometimes it can destroy all the magic. 

I do agree that if all you want is to sound just like AE, you have missed
the basic point.

cheers,

Eloy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: aleks vasic [mailto:bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:10 AM
> To: microsound
> Subject: Re: [microsound] Reverse Engineering Max/MSP 
> Autechre (reaktor too)
> 
> 
> Wow, i am going to ask another question, hopefully it does 
> not set off 
> another tidal wave of debate like my myspace question did, although 
> there was some interesting topics discussed.  People tend to get over 
> defensive and for the most part communication seems to break 
> down, not 
> fun when that happens...
> 
> What is the point of emulating an autechre patch?  Is it to 
> sound like 
> them?  Or learn from the process?  I would think that with the 
> incredible amount of communities/resources on the internet 
> that one can 
> educate themselves about Max/MSP/ PD/ Reaktor and create their own 
> process along the way.  Am i missing something here?  Is it the 
> challenge of being ABLE to reverse engineer a screenshot of 
> an autechre 
> patch, much like the challenge a hacker faces when he sets 
> his site on 
> a security system?  Can i do this?  To me its like learning how to 
> paint by studying the masters, which is great, but the point 
> is not to 
> be able to paint in their style but to reach a level of excellence on 
> par with them.  Avoiding the Copy machine mentality.
> 
> Not disparaging anyone, or their efforts.  Genuine curiousity...
> 
> 
> aLEKs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 9:33 AM, Andjam31b@xxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> >  http://www.flexatone.net/algoNet/sysTitle.html has an 
> enormous amount 
> > of algorithmic resources.
> >
> > I found the Reaktor patches from Recordlabelrecords a bit too 
> > needlessly complex - they don't sound amazing either.
> >
> > Rachmiel and John Nowak have released better Reaktor 
> instruments IMHO
> >
> > 
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