his responce was extreemly condisending...
towards me and towards any one else that might think diffeently then
he does...
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, aleks vasic wrote:
You are a crass individual. His rationale is logical and i do not
see how it can be misconstrued as overbearing, just the opposite
actually. You need to relax and stop being so defensive. If
everyone was to act as you do this list would be one giant flame war.
What are you even being defensive about? I am honestly having a hard
time deciphering your response? His first response was a very
logical and well thought out observation.
Have some respect...
aLEKs
On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
oh shut up and put a sock in it no one here wants to hear your upper
class white bread mombo jumbo!!! pretentious twit!
its so simple to speak from the ivory tower hidding behind your
white academic elephant... try getting into the thick of it knee
deep in tear gas, police sticks and rubber bullets then come talk to
me!
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
it drastically oversimplifies the situation which makes it at best
misguided.
Neil Wiernik <neil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
its not a wierd rant at all...
its basic look in your own trash can before complaining about others
trash...
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
what a strange rant...
yes, every environmentalist struggles with the contradictions of
being "in the world" when it comes to effective activism and they
make thier peace with the compromises they know they will have to
make somewhere around thier sophmore year at college. yes, they
will probably have to use cars, yes they will have to live in
buildings made with wood, yes they will use electricity and do
thier work with wasteful and toxic technology...if they choose to
stay engaged with society in order to help change it yes. this is
a realists approach. will they minimize all this...most likely, as
best thay can.
i suppose greenpeace could eschew all the tools of the modern
world and try to communicate the information they have and
coordinate thier campaigns from a computerless shack in the woods
in order to meet your peerless standards for acceptable activism,
but we all know how well that turned out for the unabomber and all
concerned.
this campaign is an unusually refreshing for the effective way it
calls attention to the problem of toxic waste from computers in
general. targeting the company with the most eco-friendly public
image that it doesnt live up to, seems an effective way to
accomplish that goal. at least it is done with good-humour and
stays focused on the problem, or do you prefer the kaczynski
method?
xe
Neil Wiernik wrote:
the larger question is does green peace use computers at all as if
they do
they to are part of the problem and not the solution if they want
to spin
things that way any how...
why dont they look at how computers as a whole work for them...
rather then against..
Im sure they use a fine number of IBM products and we all know who
IBM
helped in world war 2... i think rather then talkign like they are
holier
then now they need to look in thier own back yards.. I mean what
powers
thier boats GAS who makes the GAS...
I am a political person but when grassroot organisations dont take
the
time to look in their own back yard before pointing fingers it
pisses me
off!!!
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Steffan De Turck wrote:
unfortunately Greenpeace is more about demonizing
specific companies then making a POINT
e.g. Shell instead of Exxon Mobile, BP, Q8, Texaco,
Esso etc. etc. etc.
and now Apple?...
It seems a bit too trendy a campaign for me -- why
not talk about
all PC manufacturers, the full scope of the
problem, and work for
enacting national legislation following the
progressive European
lead in this area? Targeting a single company
seems gratuitous...
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