I do not see how his response was condescending. It was a response to your
claim that Greenpeace is hypocritical with their ideology. Which i also
agree is a rather weak argument on your part, no offense intended. Green
peace cannot be compared to IBM. IBM's sole motivator is profits. Where
Green Peace ideology is global conservation. All of their resources go
toward raising awareness in regards to mans inability to live in balance with
his environment. Sure they need modern technology in order to operate with
any sort of effective impact. They do so with a lot of foresight. Are they
perfect? No, nothing is perfect really in this world, but to claim that they
are no different then mega corporations, or entities driven solely by profits
is misguided.
It is true that everyone is entitled to an opinion. What predicates a solid
opinion is that it is well thought out as well as being based with a solid
point of reference, i.e. facts.
Again no offense intended.
aLEKs
On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
his responce was extreemly condisending...
towards me and towards any one else that might think diffeently then he
does...
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, aleks vasic wrote:
You are a crass individual. His rationale is logical and i do not see how
it can be misconstrued as overbearing, just the opposite actually. You
need to relax and stop being so defensive. If everyone was to act as you
do this list would be one giant flame war. What are you even being
defensive about? I am honestly having a hard time deciphering your
response? His first response was a very logical and well thought out
observation.
Have some respect...
aLEKs
On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
oh shut up and put a sock in it no one here wants to hear your upper
class white bread mombo jumbo!!! pretentious twit!
its so simple to speak from the ivory tower hidding behind your white
academic elephant... try getting into the thick of it knee deep in tear
gas, police sticks and rubber bullets then come talk to me!
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
it drastically oversimplifies the situation which makes it at best
misguided.
Neil Wiernik <neil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
its not a wierd rant at all...
its basic look in your own trash can before complaining about others
trash...
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
what a strange rant...
yes, every environmentalist struggles with the contradictions of being
"in the world" when it comes to effective activism and they make thier
peace with the compromises they know they will have to make somewhere
around thier sophmore year at college. yes, they will probably have to
use cars, yes they will have to live in buildings made with wood, yes
they will use electricity and do thier work with wasteful and toxic
technology...if they choose to stay engaged with society in order to
help change it yes. this is a realists approach. will they minimize all
this...most likely, as best thay can.
i suppose greenpeace could eschew all the tools of the modern world and
try to communicate the information they have and coordinate thier
campaigns from a computerless shack in the woods in order to meet your
peerless standards for acceptable activism, but we all know how well
that turned out for the unabomber and all concerned.
this campaign is an unusually refreshing for the effective way it calls
attention to the problem of toxic waste from computers in general.
targeting the company with the most eco-friendly public image that it
doesnt live up to, seems an effective way to accomplish that goal. at
least it is done with good-humour and stays focused on the problem, or
do you prefer the kaczynski method?
xe
Neil Wiernik wrote:
the larger question is does green peace use computers at all as if they
do
they to are part of the problem and not the solution if they want to
spin
things that way any how...
why dont they look at how computers as a whole work for them...
rather then against..
Im sure they use a fine number of IBM products and we all know who IBM
helped in world war 2... i think rather then talkign like they are
holier
then now they need to look in thier own back yards.. I mean what powers
thier boats GAS who makes the GAS...
I am a political person but when grassroot organisations dont take the
time to look in their own back yard before pointing fingers it pisses
me
off!!!
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Steffan De Turck wrote:
unfortunately Greenpeace is more about demonizing
specific companies then making a POINT
e.g. Shell instead of Exxon Mobile, BP, Q8, Texaco,
Esso etc. etc. etc.
and now Apple?...
It seems a bit too trendy a campaign for me -- why
not talk about
all PC manufacturers, the full scope of the
problem, and work for
enacting national legislation following the
progressive European
lead in this area? Targeting a single company
seems gratuitous...
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