Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe

[Paulo Mouat <paulo.mouat@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think this sort of structure (i.e. ABA') is just too commonplace,
IMO; add to it the fact that it would correspond to transitions from
order -> chaos -> order and it would be doubly so.

It would be far more interesting to have it evolve by itself and let
any emergent behavior surface naturally. This implies of course that
any imposed durations are meaningless. Let it be rhizomatic rather
than a purely linear trajectory between points A and B and back.

//p
http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Bård Harazi Farbu <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Excelent, Mike!
>
> Could the program mentioned do(or be altered to do) the following?
>
> 1. creation state
> Play,as a sequencer, a arrangement of samples. applying only small
> changes to samples. The same arrangement only with small variations
> though noticable.
> lets say part one lasts for 3 min or so
>
> 2. random state
> Complete and utter random. for a much shorter time span. 15 sec.
>
> 3. destruction state
> part one in reverse.
>
> it would be nifty;)
>
> bård
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Michael Palace wrote:
>
> > We have some code that does something similiar.
> >
> > It basically harvests a bunch of sounds from existing directories,
> > creates new patterns that change sample start, sample length, pans
> > and pitches the samples with some simple stochastic models. Though
> > the code only works for a brief period (1 -3 minutes) it could
> > potentially be made to stream.  Also all state variables are
> > recorded as a simple text file, essentially allowing the user to go
> > back in time and recreate the soundscape for a time period.
> >
> > This was a prototype for grant proposal we submitted to the
> > Langolais Foundation, which we did not get.
> >
> > The prototype is down currently, but I can put it back up.  It is
> > programmed in Octave.
> >
> > http://www.zero1media.com/10010010/
> >
> > One the page v1.1 is a little series of songs we created.
> >
> > More recent examples can be found at http://www.rpmchallenge.com/
> > jukebox/ and look under 10010010
> >
> > I only post these as examples and not as a promotion or release
> > information.
> >
> > I suggest that we collect lots of samples from the microsound
> > community and use these to make a continuous sound project.  Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Mike Palace
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bård Harazi Farbu"
> > <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe
> >
> >
> >> Hi Robert,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the in depth response.
> >>
> >> My fascination for the science in this theory is based more on an
> >> philosophical level, rather than an scientific. (I´m not equipped
> >> with a deep knowledge of the subject.)
> >>
> >> Like the universe is presented in many of the early religions of
> >> the world, the theory presented describes a continuous creation,
> >> evolving time, period of chaos, and destruction. This mechanism
> >> fascinates me.  An idea for a project would be something like an
> >> webbased application playing the piece 24/7. The application would
> >> be able to make small alternations to the piece during the
> >> creation and evolving part  (since no universe is the same), then
> >> (the best part) a completely  random state, then a reverse version
> >> of the first part - and finally  beginning again with a slightly
> >> different piece/universe.
> >>
> >> A workflow could be to first gather samples. Then finding a way
> >> of  either arranging them in an ever-alternating sequence with the
> >> help  of dsp. So I guess one would need an web-based instrument
> >> with  preloaded samples one could use to mimmic the mechanism. The
> >> project  would then need someone to program the instrument (don´t
> >> even now if  it´s possible - it should be cross-platform
> >> application - which one  would only need an web-browser to use.)
> >>
> >> hmmmm
> >>
> >> any thoughts?
> >>
> >> bård
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Robert Lewis wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> As an ex-astrophysicist/cosmologist, I wanted to add that there
> >>> are  also
> >>> other cosmological theories which have as a feature an
> >>> essentially infinite,
> >>> cyclic model of energy transfer, leaving out the question of how
> >>> it  all
> >>> started, because in essence it has always been.  Also, the Big
> >>> Bang  is not
> >>> as proven as the mainstream would want people to believe (in fact is
> >>> dis-proven, even Hubble himself was against it his whole life,
> >>> "Hubble's
> >>> Law" was someone else's interpretation of his empirical finding,
> >>> not his own
> >>> interpretation.)  I studied plasma cosmology which is based more on
> >>> electromagnetism and process philosophy paradigm, as opposed to
> >>> the  big bang
> >>> which is based on gravity and the object oriented paradigm.  In
> >>> plasma
> >>> cosmology there is no need for dark matter, dark energy, or big
> >>> bangs: the
> >>> dynamics of the universe are explained by taking into account the
> >>> electromagnetic forces present at the large scale within the
> >>> plasma present
> >>> in the universe at all scales.  Also in this model, time just
> >>> runs, it
> >>> doesn't run backwards ever, no need for such ideas.  This
> >>> doesn't  mean that
> >>> cyclic process is impossible, in fact oscillation is a very
> >>> natural process
> >>> in a universe that only runs forward (the direction of time is
> >>> arbitrary in
> >>> this sense.)  To this day there is an ongoing battle between the
> >>> 'relativists' and the 'Maxwellians'; i.e. between the gravity,
> >>> object
> >>> oriented paradigm, and the electromagnetic, process oriented
> >>> paradigm.
> >>>
> >>> Anyhow, I think it would be fun to base a microsound project on
> >>> these ideas
> >>> somehow, as you suggested.  It ties into the ideas of discrete
> >>> versus
> >>> continuum as well.  Well, I'll leave it at that.  There is this
> >>> whole pi
> >>> thing that I haven't even started on yet...
> >>>
> >>> -robert
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Bård Harazi Farbu
> >>> <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all
> >>>>
> >>>> Read this in Wired today:
> >>>>
> >>>>        According to Turok, who teaches at Cambridge University,
> >>>> the Big
> >>>> Bang represents just one stage in an infinitely repeated cycle of
> >>>> universal expansion and                 contraction. Turok
> >>>> theorizes that
> >>>> neither
> >>>> time nor the universe has a beginning or end.
> >>>>
> >>>>        "Imagine you have a room full of air, with all these
> >>>> molecules
> >>>> banging around. The vast majority of time, these molecules spread
> >>>> uniformly -- but once in a trillion     trillion years, they
> >>>> all  end up
> >>>> in the corner of the room. If you look at the room and run the
> >>>> clock
> >>>> forward, they'll eventually make themselves uniform: But it would
> >>>> reverse, and you'd watch them flying into the corner. Then
> >>>> they'd fly
> >>>> out again.
> >>>>
> >>>>        If this is right, it means that time runs forward for a
> >>>> while. Then
> >>>> there's a random state without an arrow of time, then time runs
> >>>> backwards, and then time runs forward   again. That's the bigger
> >>>> picture: We're still very far away from understanding it, but that
> >>>> would be my bet. "
> >>>>
> >>>>        In our picture, there was a universe before the Big
> >>>> Bang,  very much
> >>>> like our universe today: a low density of matter and some stuff
> >>>> called dark energy. If you              postulate a universe
> >>>> like  this,
> >>>> but the
> >>>> dark energy within is actually unstable, then the decay of this
> >>>> dark
> >>>> energy drives the two branes together. These two branes
> >>>> clash and
> >>>> then, having filled with radiation, separate and expand to form
> >>>> galaxies and stars.
> >>>>
> >>>>        Then the dark energy takes over again. It's the energy of
> >>>> attraction
> >>>> between the two branes: It pulls them back together. You have bang
> >>>> followed by bang followed by    bang. You have no beginning of
> >>>> time.
> >>>> It's always been there.
> >>>>
> >>>>        http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/
> >>>> qa_turok
> >>>>
> >>>> Would't it be neat with a microsoundpiece modeling the beginning-
> >>>> less
> >>>> and never-ending universe presented in this theory?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Bård Farbu
> >>>>
> >>>> @:              bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> www:    bardfarbu.com
> >>>>
> >>>> netrelease 25 januar på; http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/
> >>>> index.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> mvh,
> >>
> >> Bård Farbu
> >>
> >> @: bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> >> www: bardfarbu.com
> >>
> >> netrelease 25 januar på; http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/
> >> index.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> mvh,
>
> Bård Farbu
>
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