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Re: [microsound] generative concept

Micheal

I don't think anyone is getting frustrated over this.

I think we have found a basic and easy breakdown of what we want the piece
to do. And we can leave it at that until we have any further development.

When and if you find the time and opportunity to work on the project, we can
start a work flo of collecting samples, and completing the "inner dynamics"
of each part.

I hope you both see this as a way of gaining experience for further
development of your product. And I sincerely hope this  project  won't  die
before birth because of bickering on this list.

Healthy discussion is good, but I don't think we are at a point in
development were details are to be stated.

all the best,
bård



On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Michael Palace <palace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> I want to stress two things.  One that I need to talk to my co-developer
> about working on the microsound version of code and two that we are both
> experiencing an extremely busy time period with work. I do not want people
> to feel frustrated about slow development of the project, mainly becuase
> we
> do this in our spare time.
>
> Here is the general concept that we put in our proposal.  Rob Braswell and
> I
> are earth system scientists and ecologists, so we were coming from that
> background.  Rob though did get his M.S. in physics.  There is more and if
> anyone knows of a grant agency that might be interested in such a work,
> please let me know.
>
> Ecological computer models and simulations often utilize stochastic
> properties
>
> to examine real world phenomena and principles that are inherently
> complex,
>
> non-linear, or dynamic. Music, both in composition and sound design, has
>
> been shown to benefit from chance operations and indeterminacy,
> nonlinearity,
>
> and complexity. Rarely have musicians, scientists, and performers
>
> utilized both composition and sound synthesis techniques in cutting-edge
>
> techniques. With our knowledge and expertise in ecological and
>
> environmental science, we hope to develop a fused compositional and sound
>
> synthesis web-based tool that allows for an online community to compose,
>
> shape, and change a continually evolving soundscape.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We hope to develop this graphical interface to be interactive, allowing
> the
> user
>
> to change parameters and generate a new short audio sequence that uses
>
> both the sound design tools and the compositional program. We hope that
>
> such a feature will be also be used by the electronic music community.
> Both
>
> the sound design tool and the composition program will be accessed of the
>
> web with little or no advanced programming necessary for utilization.
>
>
>
> Our model for accomplishing this includes four phases. First, we generate
> a
> genetic algorithm
>
> for composition that has the propensity for change based on different
> statistical distributions
>
> pertinent to the music temporal scale. Second, we will develop a sound
> synthesis tools which
>
> incorporates a potentially unlimited number of oscillators, neural
> networks,
> and includes the use
>
> of ecological models to generate sound. The structure of such sound
> synthesis can move and
>
> change in direct relationship to the compositional changes and vice versa.
> Third, we hope to
>
> transfer existing MATLAB code we have developed into the open source
> programming language
>
> Octave. To create a web based tool, Flash will be used to develop a user
> interface for use of
>
> our compositional and sound design tools. We will encourage development
> and
> changes to our
>
> code from a potential user community. Finally, we plan to create a
> streaming
> continuous
>
> composition available over the internet that has the ability to be shaped
> by
> the audience through
>
> the use of our compositional and sound design tools. Model parameters of
> our
> compositional
>
> and sound design programs will be recorded with the ability to recreate
> the
> continuous musical
>
> composition at any point in time. We also hope to allow the user then to
> visualize compositional
>
> parameters and manipulate such a fixed set parameter space to develop
> their
> own short section
>
> of musical expression.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bård Harazi Farbu" <bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe
>
>
> > Hi Paulo
> >
> > Again I see your point, I hope.(having to look up half the words in
>  your
> > post in a dictionary i'm not quite certain)
> >
> > The durations implied were only to give Micheal a idea of what the
> > aplication should be able to handle, nothing absolute.
> >
> > The breakdown presented was just a description of the theory itself.
> > Simplified in order to have a basic construction to build from.
> >
> > If you have any concrete suggestions to the breakdown I would be  happy
> if
> > you presented them.
> >
> >
> > bård
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Paulo Mouat wrote:
> >
> >> Repeating processes are not anathema to rhizomes. It all boils down to
> >> the interconnections and multiplicities allowed by the process.
> >>
> >> //p
> >> http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Bård Harazi Farbu  <
> bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>> hi paulo
> >>>
> >>> I don't see the point of the point of letting this piece be
> >>> rhizomatic, while  the theme of the piece is to mimmic a repeating
> >>> mechanism.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:05 AM, Paulo Mouat wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> rhizomatic
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> mvh,
> >>>
> >>> Bård Farbu
> >>>
> >>> @:              bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> www:    bardfarbu.com
> >>>
> >>> netrelease 25 januar på; http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/
> >>> index.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> > mvh,
> >
> > Bård Farbu
> >
> > @: bardfarbu@xxxxxxxxx
> > www: bardfarbu.com
> >
> > netrelease 25 januar på; http://www.monocromatica.com/netlabel/index.htm
> >
> >
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