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Re: [microsound] puff 'n stuff



On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:52:43 -0400, Michal Seta wrote:

> ag@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> 
> > > what do you mean by lack of support?  Please...
> > > 
> > Comparitively as a plaform, of course.  Not a slight, just a simple fact.
> 
> Still didn't answer my question.  I really don't understand what 'lack
> of support' mean.  A plethora of sound cards is supported as is
> digital audio in all the forms that any other platform supports.  What
> is the problem here?
>
Problem?  I don't see no stinking problems!  To answer your question though,
we are talking about Linux as a platform for sound, specifically.  Let's put it
in the form of a question.  Would you disagree that there are more resources
behind professionally viable projects for other platforms vis a vis Linux?

> > > houses.  That I think is mature enough.
> > > 
> > A "few sound engineers", "Pixar", and "probably other production houses".
> > I don't think that would fly as a base for arguing maturity of a platform.
> 
> I said 'mature enough'.  I do say that many apps being developed are
> behind some commercial products that have been around for many years.
> It is an undeniable fact.  the platform as such however is mature.  
> 
I certainly agree that is is a viable platform, to some, on some levels.  Is 
it a complete and muture sound platform with a history?  I personally don't 
think so.  

> > Actually, I don't see the connection at all.  Having technology that works
> > well, on a professional level, precedes acceptance by the industry that 
> > uses that technology.  
> 
> Is the acceptance of the industry some kind of a measure?  Will people
> start using linux audio apps when and because the entire industry will
> say it's ok?  
>
Unfortunately, yes.  Will it occur first with certain types of music genres?
Probably.  What types?  Probably genres frequented by diy types.

> > Maturity denotes long term established use. 
> > This has not yet occured.
> 
> how long?  
> 
We will see when we get there. 

> > I think it is easy to lose sight of objectivity when one presents sides in zealous
> > light.  
> 
> Am i zealous? Maybe.  however, it seems that linux comes back once in
> a while to the panel. Some people had not so good experiences, others are
> curious.  I think that shedding some positive light and
> clarifying comments which could otherwise be misleading is hardly a lack of objectivity.
> 
It amuses me when two Linux supporters argue over semantics.  Are we both not trying
to clarify here?  It is a matter of degree, essentailly seeing Linux at two 
different points on the same line, that line being it's trajectory toward evolving
into a mature sound platform.  Being zealous and having bad experiences with this
type of discussion in the past may predispose one's mind to see Linux as further 
along that line as a consequence of that disposition.

> > I use it because it works, prefer it because I believe in it's social implications, but will
> > not defer to use tools on other platforms when needed.  
> 
> Well, I have also that 'open source' perversion, but that's rather
> unrelated to sound.
> 
We are talking about sound on an Open Source platform.  There is a absolute and 
direct relation there.

> > Linux will certainly get there, 
> > and by the looks of things, very soon, but don't fool yourself into thinking that 
> > we have arrived.
> 
> I never said we did.  And my daily frustrations with various aspects
> of noise making in linux remind me of that.  What I am saying is
> linux, as a platform _and_ various audio apps, have reached a point
> where they can be used for 'serious' work.  That said, I realize that
> many will not yet feel fully comfortable with it. 
>
In a sense the trip has just begun.  Those with more an adventurous and diy
make-up are already here.  Isn't that the same with most good things?

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