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Re: [microsound] puff 'n stuff
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:52:43 -0400, Michal Seta wrote:
> ag@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> > > what do you mean by lack of support? Please...
> > >
> > Comparitively as a plaform, of course. Not a slight, just a simple fact.
>
> Still didn't answer my question. I really don't understand what 'lack
> of support' mean. A plethora of sound cards is supported as is
> digital audio in all the forms that any other platform supports. What
> is the problem here?
>
Problem? I don't see no stinking problems! To answer your question though,
we are talking about Linux as a platform for sound, specifically. Let's put it
in the form of a question. Would you disagree that there are more resources
behind professionally viable projects for other platforms vis a vis Linux?
> > > houses. That I think is mature enough.
> > >
> > A "few sound engineers", "Pixar", and "probably other production houses".
> > I don't think that would fly as a base for arguing maturity of a platform.
>
> I said 'mature enough'. I do say that many apps being developed are
> behind some commercial products that have been around for many years.
> It is an undeniable fact. the platform as such however is mature.
>
I certainly agree that is is a viable platform, to some, on some levels. Is
it a complete and muture sound platform with a history? I personally don't
think so.
> > Actually, I don't see the connection at all. Having technology that works
> > well, on a professional level, precedes acceptance by the industry that
> > uses that technology.
>
> Is the acceptance of the industry some kind of a measure? Will people
> start using linux audio apps when and because the entire industry will
> say it's ok?
>
Unfortunately, yes. Will it occur first with certain types of music genres?
Probably. What types? Probably genres frequented by diy types.
> > Maturity denotes long term established use.
> > This has not yet occured.
>
> how long?
>
We will see when we get there.
> > I think it is easy to lose sight of objectivity when one presents sides in zealous
> > light.
>
> Am i zealous? Maybe. however, it seems that linux comes back once in
> a while to the panel. Some people had not so good experiences, others are
> curious. I think that shedding some positive light and
> clarifying comments which could otherwise be misleading is hardly a lack of objectivity.
>
It amuses me when two Linux supporters argue over semantics. Are we both not trying
to clarify here? It is a matter of degree, essentailly seeing Linux at two
different points on the same line, that line being it's trajectory toward evolving
into a mature sound platform. Being zealous and having bad experiences with this
type of discussion in the past may predispose one's mind to see Linux as further
along that line as a consequence of that disposition.
> > I use it because it works, prefer it because I believe in it's social implications, but will
> > not defer to use tools on other platforms when needed.
>
> Well, I have also that 'open source' perversion, but that's rather
> unrelated to sound.
>
We are talking about sound on an Open Source platform. There is a absolute and
direct relation there.
> > Linux will certainly get there,
> > and by the looks of things, very soon, but don't fool yourself into thinking that
> > we have arrived.
>
> I never said we did. And my daily frustrations with various aspects
> of noise making in linux remind me of that. What I am saying is
> linux, as a platform _and_ various audio apps, have reached a point
> where they can be used for 'serious' work. That said, I realize that
> many will not yet feel fully comfortable with it.
>
In a sense the trip has just begun. Those with more an adventurous and diy
make-up are already here. Isn't that the same with most good things?
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