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Re: [microsound] outsider artists
Wesley Willis was one of the illest motherfuckers around.
-QF8
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On 5/27/05, aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I know, i stated so in a previous post, it kind of hard to miss when
> you talk to him. Before he died that is...
>
>
> aLEKs
>
>
> On May 27, 2005, at 3:28 PM, J m wrote:
>
> > Wesley Willis was mentally ill.
> > Long Live R.Stevie and Ariel Rosenberg(pink)
> >
> > On 5/27/05, aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> And i was originally responding to your statement that captain
> >> Beefheart is commerrcially more successful then Wesley Willis, who i
> >> pointed out has a tour bus/management and had one point been signed by
> >> Rick Rubins, while Beefheart, who has a seriously well earned rep, had
> >> a reputation of poor record sales and financial pit falls.
> >>
> >> Again i fail to see how his death changed any of those facts...
> >>
> >>
> >> aLEKs
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 27, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote:
> >>
> >>> err...
> >>>
> >>> Wesley Willis is dead
> >>>
> >>> and saying that every song sounds the same is maybe missing the point
> >>> somewhat
> >>>
> >>> http://www.alternativetentacles.com/bandinfo.php?band=wesleywillis
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 27 May 2005, at 13:48, aleks vasic wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Wesley Willis has a Rockstar tour bus. He commands a pretty high
> >>>> penny for his performances. I know as my friend is a promoter who
> >>>> has booked him three times. Besides demanding strange things like a
> >>>> gallon of soy milk along with a 12 pack of diet/sugarfree/caffiene
> >>>> free/ coke, he also demands quite a bit of money. He must be doing
> >>>> pretty well if he can pay the upkeep of that tour bus, or pay for
> >>>> its
> >>>> lease and fuel, whatever the case may be. Granted he has someone
> >>>> managing his tour and he would be incapable of organizing any of
> >>>> this
> >>>> himself, it still amazes me that he can generate such a turnout.
> >>>>
> >>>> He is also quite a gifted self taught artist. His pen and ink
> >>>> drawings of the chicago skyline are really nice. He sells these at
> >>>> most of his shows.
> >>>>
> >>>> Has anyone else seen Wesley Willis perform? Is it just me or does
> >>>> every song, musically, sound the same? Just a different set of
> >>>> lyrics for each song!?!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> aLEKs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 27, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It is worth bearing in mind that Irwin has done a lot to promote
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> disseminate the work of some of the most marginalised and off the
> >>>>> radar US musicians - Peter Grudzien, Judson Fountain and R. Stevie
> >>>>> Moore being good examples.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> point 2 is wrong - if you have read his book you will note that
> >>>>> while he drawn connections between Beefheart and Partch this is not
> >>>>> judgmental as regards quality of work. Outsider music is not a
> >>>>> genre
> >>>>> but a concept for considering the output of an extremely diverse
> >>>>> group of musicians, some commercially successful (like Beefheart
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> Syd Barrett) and others less so (Shooby Taylor, Wesley Willis).
> >>>>> Concepts of good, bad, better and worse tend to become meaningless
> >>>>> when discussing much of this music.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 26 May 2005, at 19:22, jacob felix heule wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not really into Irwin Chusid. Two reasons: (1) He looks at his
> >>>>>> subjects with mockery. He talks about Jandek, but only derides him
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> being the worst "musician" ever to attempt making a record. I
> >>>>>> don't
> >>>>>> think he sees anything in music like that other than a weird
> >>>>>> cultural
> >>>>>> phenomenon to archive, make fun of, and profit from. (2) He
> >>>>>> classes
> >>>>>> artists like Harry Partch and Captain Beefheart alongside artists
> >>>>>> like
> >>>>>> Wesley Willis and Shooby Taylor. There are major differences
> >>>>>> between
> >>>>>> these two groups, which I think should be clear to anyone here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> jacob
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/25/05, ian stewart <artsonics@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>> the intrepid diy-music preservationist, Irwin Chusid. He is also,
> >>>>>>> of course, the
> >>>>>>> author of Songs in the Key of Z: The Curious Universe of Outsider
> >>>>>>> Music
> >>>>>>> (2000, A Cappella Books).
> >>>>>> --
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