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Re: [microsound] process and preset [was: Re: [microsound] ovalprocess - Average laptop geek?]
I don't really think of it as such a black and white issue
(obviously), and it's hard for me to think of it in terms of the
rights of the artist, because regardless of what a person's rights are
regarding their creations, people are just going to do what they do.
People fuck shit up, and based on all available data, it doesn't look
like they'll be stopping any time soon.
So OK, there's the fact that people will destroy things, art pieces
included, no matter what. Is it somehow incorrect then to make the
assessment that this instance was kind of funny, and (to me - I speak
only for myself here) ethically tolerable because I didn't have too
much respect for or attachment to the original piece?
I'm not saying it's unconditionally OK to destroy all art or anything
like that. I think that would be kind of lame. However, if you erased
my hard drive in a way that I found to be humorous or artful enough, I
would at least have an appreciation for that, separate from my
disappointment with losing all my data (this specific situation has
actually happened to me before). Furthermore, whether or not I am
harmed by the action of someone erasing my hard drive is really up to
me, not them. If I'm going to go to the trouble of keeping data in the
first place, it's my responsability to ensure that it doesn't get
fucked up. Would you blame God for raining on the Chapmans' art
pieces? No, you would blame them for leaving the pieces outside in the
rain.
Well, you could, but you'd be pretty silly to do so. The point is that
bad things just happen, regardless of the systems we put in place to
prevent them, and the best we can do is put additional systems in
place to account for the bad things in question. That said, I think
it's OK to say that some destruction is funny or artful, especially if
you personally have no attachment to the thing being destroyed.
This is definitely way off-topic at this point.
-QF8
http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/
On 5/25/05, aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well i agree with you for the most part. I just put myself in the
> Chapman brothers shoes. I understand that every individual has
> differing opinion inregards to ideologies. But i fail to see what
> gives someone the right to destroy another artist's work just becasue
> there ideologies differ? Crap man you are trampling all over the basic
> rights of individuals. Who is anyone to deface or destroy something i
> created becuase of differences? doesnt seem right to me. Something
> like that is inherent to me. You just dont cause harm to others.
>
> I am an extremist about cerrtain thing, and it may sound immature, but
> if Barschak or any other ignoramus would try that at a show i was
> putting on i would take it to the next logical level, if you
> instigate you had better be ready for the possible repercussion. To
> not do so would be folly. Yes i am refferring to an old school ass
> whooping.
>
> Because i disagree with you inregards to Barshak's actions. does that
> give me the right to come to your house and smash some of your work, or
> erase your Dat or HD? Hey our ideologies differ just like the Chapmans
> and Barshaks did. With that line of rationale i have the utmost right
> to do so according to you.
>
> Sorry, its just such a black and white topic matter for me. Hope i
> didnt misunderstand you.
>
> aLEKs
>
> On May 25, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote:
>
> > It's real hard to come up with specific rules for these sorts of
> > things. Personally, I approve of this guy splashing red paint all over
> > this thing, because I think it's funny and because based on what I've
> > read about the pieces in question, I don't think too much of them.
> > ("The Rape of Creativity"? C'mon now. I did like the Chapmans' chess
> > set a lot, but any artist that claims they're out to "destroy" an art
> > form reeks, in my opinion, of bullshit.) Would I think the same thing
> > of the act if this guy were fucking up an original art piece that I
> > had respect for? Probably not. Though, if his execution (no pun
> > intended) was funny (artful?) enough, I'd have more respect for it.
> > After all, these things are temporary, and attachment always causes
> > suffering, and all that jazz.
> >
> > It would be relevant to note that people who put their art on the
> > street (graffiti, stencils, stickers, etc.) expect it to get taken
> > down very quickly by city workers, if not by other street artists.
> >
> > This is all pretty off-topic, here.
> >
> > -QF8
> > http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/
> >
> >
> > On 5/25/05, aleks vasic <bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Well it certainley was cheeky but, what gives him the right to deface
> >> an original piece of artwork in order to create another? I view it as
> >> destructive, no matter how brilliant of a concept it was. Im shure
> >> Barschak could have thought of a more intelligent way to get his point
> >> across. Im not a fan of the Chapman's but its the principle. I
> >> wouldnt like someone coming into my studio and taking my sound files
> >> for a project and altering them forever.
> >> I dont think to mmany people would aprreciate a similar situation,
> >> especially afterr working so hard on said project...
> >>
> >> aLEKs
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 25, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> >>
> >>> What a brilliant work of art! Those Chapman boys have nothing on
> >>> Barschak. He was merely mimetically extending their own expression
> >>> in
> >>> such a way that it ridiculed them. How can they fault it, other than
> >>> claiming bruised egos?
> >>>
> >>> ~Kyle
> >>>
> >>> On 5/25/05, COSTELLOE Richard <Richard.COSTELLOE@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> just read this in the sunday papers this week. seems like one way to
> >>>> find out if what you're doing is art... (what would McDonna think?!)
> >>>>
> >>>> Consider Aaron Barschak, the so-called comedy terrorist who
> >>>> gate-crashed
> >>>> Prince William's 21st birthday party. In October 2003, he appeared
> >>>> in
> >>>> court on a charge of criminal damage. Barschak had interrupted a
> >>>> talk
> >>>> by
> >>>> Jake and Dinos Chapman at the Modern Art Oxford gallery. The Chapman
> >>>> brothers were discussing their exhibit The Rape of Creativity, which
> >>>> features cartoon heads superimposed on a series of etchings by Goya.
> >>>> Barschak had splashed red paint on one of the artworks, and on Jake
> >>>> Chapman, shouting: "Viva Goya!" He claimed he was creating his own
> >>>> artwork, made out of another's art just as the Chapmans had adapted
> >>>> Goya, and that he intended to enter his work for the Turner prize.
> >>>> Finding him guilty, district judge Brian Loosley said:
> >>>>
> >>>> "This is a serious offence of wanton destruction of a work of art .
> >>>> .
> >>>> .
> >>>> Even by modern standards and even stretching the imagination to
> >>>> incredulity, this was not the creation of a work of art."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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