no Im saying that greenpeace if not using a mac most likely in some
form or manner uses IBM products which IMHO as a company are far more
worse then apple ever will be in that IBM supported and built
technology for the nazi's in world war 2. sp the technology that
navigates thier ships or Im sure the laptops they use are ibms if not
apples machines also... so before they stick thier foot deeper into
their moths they should stop and think is what Im sayign get it
now????
you keep telling me offenxe and that your not being condescending but
you and the other person what ever his name is are and mor eover you
say how much you hate flame wars but both times I have posted recently
it has been you that manages to create a flame war, by your stuborn
arguments... your entitled to your opinion just like I am leave it at
that !!
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, aleks vasic wrote:
I do not see how his response was condescending. It was a response
to your claim that Greenpeace is hypocritical with their ideology.
Which i also agree is a rather weak argument on your part, no offense
intended. Green peace cannot be compared to IBM. IBM's sole
motivator is profits. Where Green Peace ideology is global
conservation. All of their resources go toward raising awareness in
regards to mans inability to live in balance with his environment.
Sure they need modern technology in order to operate with any sort of
effective impact. They do so with a lot of foresight. Are they
perfect? No, nothing is perfect really in this world, but to claim
that they are no different then mega corporations, or entities driven
solely by profits is misguided.
It is true that everyone is entitled to an opinion. What predicates
a solid opinion is that it is well thought out as well as being based
with a solid point of reference, i.e. facts.
Again no offense intended.
aLEKs
On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
his responce was extreemly condisending...
towards me and towards any one else that might think diffeently then
he does...
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, aleks vasic wrote:
You are a crass individual. His rationale is logical and i do not
see how it can be misconstrued as overbearing, just the opposite
actually. You need to relax and stop being so defensive. If
everyone was to act as you do this list would be one giant flame
war. What are you even being defensive about? I am honestly having
a hard time deciphering your response? His first response was a
very logical and well thought out observation.
Have some respect...
aLEKs
On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Neil Wiernik wrote:
oh shut up and put a sock in it no one here wants to hear your
upper class white bread mombo jumbo!!! pretentious twit!
its so simple to speak from the ivory tower hidding behind your
white academic elephant... try getting into the thick of it knee
deep in tear gas, police sticks and rubber bullets then come talk
to me!
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
it drastically oversimplifies the situation which makes it at
best misguided.
Neil Wiernik <neil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
its not a wierd rant at all...
its basic look in your own trash can before complaining about
others
trash...
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:
what a strange rant...
yes, every environmentalist struggles with the contradictions of
being "in the world" when it comes to effective activism and
they make thier peace with the compromises they know they will
have to make somewhere around thier sophmore year at college.
yes, they will probably have to use cars, yes they will have to
live in buildings made with wood, yes they will use electricity
and do thier work with wasteful and toxic technology...if they
choose to stay engaged with society in order to help change it
yes. this is a realists approach. will they minimize all
this...most likely, as best thay can.
i suppose greenpeace could eschew all the tools of the modern
world and try to communicate the information they have and
coordinate thier campaigns from a computerless shack in the
woods in order to meet your peerless standards for acceptable
activism, but we all know how well that turned out for the
unabomber and all concerned.
this campaign is an unusually refreshing for the effective way
it calls attention to the problem of toxic waste from computers
in general. targeting the company with the most eco-friendly
public image that it doesnt live up to, seems an effective way
to accomplish that goal. at least it is done with good-humour
and stays focused on the problem, or do you prefer the kaczynski
method?
xe
Neil Wiernik wrote:
the larger question is does green peace use computers at all as
if they do
they to are part of the problem and not the solution if they
want to spin
things that way any how...
why dont they look at how computers as a whole work for them...
rather then against..
Im sure they use a fine number of IBM products and we all know
who IBM
helped in world war 2... i think rather then talkign like they
are holier
then now they need to look in thier own back yards.. I mean what
powers
thier boats GAS who makes the GAS...
I am a political person but when grassroot organisations dont
take the
time to look in their own back yard before pointing fingers it
pisses me
off!!!
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Steffan De Turck wrote:
unfortunately Greenpeace is more about demonizing
specific companies then making a POINT
e.g. Shell instead of Exxon Mobile, BP, Q8, Texaco,
Esso etc. etc. etc.
and now Apple?...
It seems a bit too trendy a campaign for me -- why
not talk about
all PC manufacturers, the full scope of the
problem, and work for
enacting national legislation following the
progressive European
lead in this area? Targeting a single company
seems gratuitous...
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