Re: [microsound] beginning-less universe

[Robert Lewis <ionizing@xxxxxxxxx>]

Excellent points concerning the Aether.  In fact as it turns out, dark
energy, dark matter, and black holes are purely theoretical constructs to
indeed fill gaps in the mainstream theory based on the object oriented
gravitational paradigm.

However, In the 'maxwellian' paradigm, the aether can be viewed instead as
the observationally verified plasma which fills all of space in varying
density/forms.  Plasma at its most basic definition is a collection of ions,
electrons, dust and other free particles, all interacting with and producing
electromagnetic fields (plasma is a very non-linear, complex system, where
self-organization and emergent behavior are common features.)

Often the observed effects that the mainstream paradigm will attribute to
what they call 'black holes', 'dark matter' and 'dark energy', could instead
be attributed to very well known processes within plasma physics, scaled up
using observationally based scaling laws.  In fact it was the ability to see
beyond our visible light spectrum that really started lending credence to
the plasma based approach.  The old gravitational paradigm is centered
around the ability to observe within the visible light spectrum.  The next
'maxwellian', process oriented paradigm, benefits greatly from the new found
ability to see a larger range of electromagnetic radiation.  An example of
increased observing power lending credence to one paradigm over another is
when we first put artificial satellites into space.  Up until that time
there was an age old debate over whether or not space was a vacuum.  Sure
enough we found that it is far from an absolute vacuum, it is in fact
teeming with free particles, dust, and fields (ie plasma.)  Kristen
Birkeland was one of the first plasma cosmologists to predict that space was
not empty but would be instead filled with a plasma.

I could go on for hours about this topic, I devoted a large portion of my
life to it and made many sacrifices by not adhering to the status quo in
order to pursue true science.  I'll stop for now but might add more later.

-robert

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:48 AM, reSet Sakrecoer <sakrecoer@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Mister Miller! All jokes put aside, You just did my day!
>
> thank you,
> reSet
>
> Graham Miller wrote:
> > well, i think they call it 'dark' because it does not reflect very
> > much radiation and therefor it is extremely difficult to detect. in
> > the same way that a black hole is 'black.' also, this idea that it
> > blends into space like the cheshire cat, in such a way that it cannot
> > be distinguished from so-called 'empty' space. also, it's probably
> > dark matter, rather than, say, 'invisible matter,' since there are
> > more things 'invisible' to our senses that visible in this universe,
> > so 'invisible matter' would not be very specific. and last but not
> > least, it sounds cool. which, in all seriousness, is a important and
> > often overlooked way of making the general public interested in (and
> > help fund) science.
> >
> > g.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 21-Feb-08, at 11:35 AM, reSet Sakrecoer wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you for your interesting approach and response Graham!
> >>
> >> Graham Miller wrote:
> >>> what's wrong w/ dark energy?
> >>>
> >> Thats whats wrong! maybe to you its is a *bright* idea to call it
> >> dark! :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Miller also wrote:
> >>> some part of me feels that dark matter and dark energy might go the
> >>> same way as aether did. sure the existence of dark energy and dark
> >>> matter help explain, or flll in the blanks, to some big questions
> >>> regarding the total amount of mass in the universe and its effect of
> >>> gravity and the formation of galaxies... but maybe it'll take
> >>> another einstein to tackle the problem from a totally different
> >>> angle...
> >>>
> >>> g.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes! there you go! we fill in the blanks. we are to simple for the
> >> unknown. to scared of it.
> >> I don't like it being described as *dark* because dark i negativley
> >> loaded, in the context of the unknown. I know i'm diggin into the
> >> idea of symbolics, but unfortunatley i think, until we get to plugg
> >> our brains into a computer, symbolics is the only way to figure and
> >> frame for each other, the unknown that has a potential explaination.
> >>
> >> I love to read about this type of topics, and i don't want to waste
> >> it in a debat of dark is +/- good/evil.
> >> I just reacted to it, as another proof that our civilisation is
> >> feeling bitter about something... It even reflects in science.
> >>
> >> Optimysticaly yours,
> >> Set H.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 21-Feb-08, at 10:47 AM, reSet Sakrecoer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bård Harazi Farbu wrote:
> >>>>>     In our picture, there was a universe before the Big Bang, very
> >>>>> much like our universe today: a low density of matter and some
> >>>>> stuff called dark energy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ugly word for a beautyfull thing. "Dark Energy".....
> >>>> Even scientists are spreading the bitter words!
> >>>>
> >>>> But this dosn't say I like your idea. And i do like your idea.
> >>>> :)
> >>>>
> >>>> /Set
> >>>>
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