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Re: [microsound] Max/Msp 5 is here



Caught a talk by David Behrman yesterday at school here in NL. He mentioned
something which i also caught a bit of in Thom Holmes 'Electronic and
Experimental Music', which is: Electronic music died somewhere towards the
end of the nineties or just after the turn of the millennium. Perhaps others
can expound upon what that means? Perhaps they are referring to the idea
that electronics were completely explored, and now the narrative of
electronic music is one bound up with acoustic music. Though, I am sure many
members of this list are simply electronic purists, possibly employing only
digital techniques with never a sampled acoustic sound or a physical
recording in sight.

But on the rave thing, to me it's kind of bound up in a different narrative,
or at least it's not a part of the same story, moreso a different branch or
trunk of the lineage of electronic music. While each artists work may not
have a lot of breadth or depth in and of themselves, in a mix, or a dj set,
a performance, and within the actual space of the *party* (rave is dead)
many narratives and stories are taking place which are above and beyond any
one artists single track or work. To me, taking part in the creation of EDM
is to take part in that history and story, and to add to the constant
mutation and evolution of it's myriad of styles and nuances. I think it's a
very deep story, with a rich and potent history. To think, that the music
never stops, the beat is constant the whole world over, it is continually
evolving. I think it's a very beautiful thing.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:18 PM, craquemat <craque@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Please, expound.
>
>
> Paulo Mouat wrote:
>
>> In the academia sense and heritage he probably is. There is a
>> disconnect in the notion of microsound as expounded by Roads (and by
>> extension, accepted in academic circles) and that typically discussed
>> on this list.
>>
>> //p
>> http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:09 PM, craquemat <craque@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> ha ha ha ha this made me laugh!
>>>
>>> i don't know if i agree 100% with his statements. and i don't know his
>>> music
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> i did find it curious that the article refers to him as "THE FOREMOST
>>> COMPOSER" of microsound.
>>>
>>> his discogs page sure doesn't belie that.
>>>
>>> -m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> right...
>>>>
>>>> and roads' stuff is all depth and narrative?
>>>>
>>>> please.
>>>>
>>>> raver graham
>>>>
>>>> On 24-Apr-08, at 12:36 PM, craquemat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I for one don't especially like this increasingly automated approach to
>>>>>
>>>> making music. Ableton Live used to be a very neat tool for doing certain
>>> specific things, but it has swollen into this beast that practically
>>> makes
>>> the music on its own.
>>>
>>>> And personally I am growing weary of so much computer-aided music
>>>>>
>>>> sounding the same. I don't know how much of this can be blamed on the
>>> software or not.
>>>
>>>> I suppose the real works of art will end up outshining the others as
>>>>>
>>>> time passes. In some ways it's probably no good to blame the tools, but
>>> the
>>> humans who use them.
>>>
>>>> There is a really neat blurb in this month's Wired (Steve Carrell on the
>>>>>
>>>> front) about Curtis Roads and microsound. He makes an applicable comment
>>> on
>>> how "ravers" (which I take to mean not just literally people who go to
>>> raves, but the generation of music makers inspired by that tradition when
>>> making music) definitely make some beautiful sounds, but there is not
>>> much
>>> depth or narrative in what they're doing.
>>>
>>>> In other words, the art isn't as rich, even if the paint job is stellar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham Miller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  in that lengthy robert henke video i posted a little while ago he says
>>>>>>
>>>>> nothing will happen until max 5 is out and then he eluded to the pluggo
>>> product line, implying that there might some kind of function that allows
>>> users to build there own plug-ins within live... but he was pretty
>>> tight-lipped about the whole venture. someone asked him about jitter and
>>> video in live and he just smiled and didn't respond, saying 'he already
>>> said
>>> too much.' to be honest, they themselves probably don't even know for
>>> sure
>>> what's going to happen...
>>>
>>>> On 23-Apr-08, at 7:26 PM, Matt Tierney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  DIY Live instruments/effects?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Hans Erik Nilsson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <hasse@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  can't wait to find out what they're gonna do w/ ableton now that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> max
>>>
>>>> is done...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Yeah, absolutely. Anyone on the list picked up on any rumours on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what
>>>
>>>> could
>>>>>>>> be the outcome of the partnership between Cycling 74 and Ableton?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Cheers,
>>>>>>>> /Hasse
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr. Hans Erik Nilsson | Voice: +46 73 6636331 |
>>>>>>>> | Standard disclaimer file active |
>>>>>>>> "There are many futures and only one status quo"  - Brian Eno
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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