Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple

[Johan Nilsson <johan@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well, I wasn't initially going to reply because I realize it's  
getting way off topic and as you say, it's hitting close to home for  
you and I don't mean to upset you. I can't relate to how americans  
knew about the holocaust because I was born in Sweden. In Sweden,  
surely enough, people knew the nazi's were after the Jews. My  
grandfather, a seaman, helped Jewish children get into hiding in  
Sweden. But everytime I talked to him about it, he always said that  
even though he knew, he never thought it was as horrific as it turned  
out to be. That's where I come from. But that being said, I still  
stand by my statement that I think the whole IBM and the nazi Germany  
thing is blown way out of porpotions. When people state that IBM laid  
the way for the German war, I really want to know how one fights wars  
with punch card machines, and what punch card machines has to do with  
the Nazi ideology. Personally I think it's just a "hit" at one of the  
biggest corporations in the world, but you can't really compare IBM  
of that day, to Big Blue today.

But again, I did start by previous post with "Hm, I thought..." and I  
guess that belongs in front of this post as well. I hope I do not  
insult you, I just wanted to explain my opinion and again sorry to  
the rest for getting off-topic.

Johan.

On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Neil Wiernik wrote:

> http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/ibm-j27.shtml
>
> there is plenty more just do a google search...
> its pretty nieve for any one to think that people didnt knoww hat  
> hitler and the nazi party were up to its not like they really hide  
> it from any one... even if they sort of how could they hide it at  
> the scale they were doing it (Im a child of a survivor so this  
> subject hits very close to home for me). I think people like to say  
> that they didnt know what they were up to, I think its more like  
> people didnt want to belive it was happening and were there for in  
> denial of it all. they were in dianl untill they could not any  
> more, when they were presented with first hand pictures and stories  
> from people then the west has no choice but to accept it. but to  
> say they didnt now what was going on is IMHO an easy cop out.
> neil..
>
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Johan Nilsson wrote:
>
> > Hm, I thought the only connection IBM had with Nazi Germany was  
> > that their punch card machines were used in concentration camps. I  
> > used to do contract work with IBM and this is what I was told.  
> > It's a bit of an emberassing part of IBM history, but not really  
> > something that'd stop me from working with them or their machines.  
> > I mean, who really believes IBM knew what was happening at those  
> > locations anyways?
> >
> > You guys make it sound like IBM built nuclear arms or something.
> >
> > Johan.
> >
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